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Old 02-27-2011, 04:56 PM   #21
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Vinnie has said each time he releases the homebrew recipe, he tweaks the version he produces. As a result, there are a few versions out there.


1 version>
http://beerdujour.com/Recipes/1Pliny...lone%20PDF.pdf





another version>
14.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row)
0.65 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine
0.65 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L
0.81 lb Corn Sugar


3.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [13.90 %] (90 min) Hops 168.4 IBU
0.75 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [13.90 %] (45 min) Hops 32.4 IBU
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.30 %] (30 min) Hops 21.7 IBU
2.50 oz Simcoe [12.30 %] (0 min) Hops -
1.00 oz Centennial [8.00 %] (0 min) Hops -

1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [13.90 %] (Dry Hop 12 days) Hops -
1.00 oz Centennial [9.10 %] (Dry Hop 12 days) Hops -
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.30 %] (Dry Hop 12 days) Hops -

0.25 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [13.90 %] (Dry Hop 5 days) Hops -
0.25 oz Centennial [9.10 %] (Dry Hop 5 days) Hops -
0.25 oz Simcoe [12.30 %] (Dry Hop 5 days) Hops -

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Old 10-27-2011, 07:16 PM   #22
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Somewhere in the current version there is Warrior and Cascade as well. Not sure how the percentages add into it. The gal gave me these five in this order.. IF that makes any difference.. Yes it was a hop bomb... but WOW.. so good.

Warrior
Centennial
Simcoe
Cascade
Columbus

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Old 10-27-2011, 07:28 PM   #23
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Somewhere in the current version there is Warrior and Cascade as well.
No cascade. There's Amarillo in the dry hop.

Here's the info I have, which is all based on interviews I've heard with Vinnie.

The old recipe that had mash hops (and chinook) was changed because a local farmer wanted to buy their spent grain, and didn't want hops in the spent grain.

That lead to the recipe that you find on that PDF file from beerdujour. The big difference being Russian River doesn't bitter with hops in the 90min or 45min addition, they use hop extract to increase yield, and cut down on the vegetal flavor you get from cooking hops for 90min. The home brew equivalent is just bittering with CTZ or Warrior.

Vinnie most recently said he's added Amarillo to the dry hop schedule. It was just added on top of the current recipe, they didn't remove anything else.

So the closest I believe you can get would be:

2.80 oz Warrior [17.20 %] (90 min)
0.75 oz CTZ [13.90 %] (45 min)
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.30 %] (30 min)
2.50 oz Simcoe [12.30 %] (0 min)
1.00 oz Centennial [8.00 %] (0 min)

1.00 oz CTZ [13.90 %] (Dry Hop 12 days)
1.00 oz Centennial [9.10 %] (Dry Hop 12 days)
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.30 %] (Dry Hop 12 days)
1.00 oz Amarillo (Dry Hop 12 days)

0.25 oz CTZ [13.90 %] (Dry Hop 5 days)
0.25 oz Centennial [9.10 %] (Dry Hop 5 days)
0.25 oz Simcoe [12.30 %] (Dry Hop 5 days)
0.25 oz Amarillo (Dry Hop 5 days)

Obviously subbing out the warrior for Hop Shot from Northern Brewer is another great alternative, and probably would be even closer. I'd also consider allowing the hops to steep hot (just put a lid on after you kill the flame). Russian River does a hot whirlpool, and those 0 minute hops are added then, so the hops do see some 200*+ temps for anywhere from 10-25minutes before they chill.
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Old 10-27-2011, 07:35 PM   #24
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Having recently had the original on tap in San Diego and brewing the clone AG kit from Morebeer, I can tell you they are extremely close. You'd be hard pressed to tell them apart without side by side tastings. That's just my 2 cents.

For the record,the bitterness isn't 'disturbing', as someone said earlier. What makes Pliny great is the sheer flavor and aroma while still being drinkable. I could list many other beers with higher perceived bitterness and less hop flavor - Ruination being just one that comes to mind. Pliny is a liquid hop delivery vehicle!

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Old 10-27-2011, 08:38 PM   #25
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Well, can't answer that comment Scottland. I was at RR Brewery yesterday. The waitress went back and looked at the notes. I don't think she had a reason to yank my chain.

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Well, can't answer that comment Scottland. I was at RR Brewery yesterday. The waitress went back and looked at the notes. I don't think she had a reason to yank my chain.
They could be using it now, last i heard any Pliny recipe info was about 18 months ago. I don't think it's an integral part of the recipe though.
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Old 11-22-2012, 01:42 AM   #27
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I have not brewed the extract version, but the AGO version from AHS is excellent. I'm very pleased with the beer. My OG was low (1.054 w/ a FG of 1.012), but it is an excellent brew.

I recommend without reservations AHS' version of the Elder!

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Old 11-22-2012, 03:23 PM   #28
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I'm sure that they are both good approximations. I have made the morebeer version several times and been happy with it.

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