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Denny · 03-05-2013, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Darwin18

I'd love to, but I just spend the last 15 minutes trying to register and log on to the AHA forum, before giving up. Seems to be as buggy as the actual NHC registration. Tried using both Firefox and IE and will not work with either.

I'm the admin there. PM here about your problems and I'll take care of it.

**osagedr** · 03-05-2013, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny

Guys, with all due respect, this conversation is circular....you're all discussing ideas that won't go anywhere just talking about them here.

This forum is a great place to bounce ideas around that can be vetted by our peers then taken to the AHA for consideration. Let's not try to stifle discussion or debate.

**mjdonnelly68** · 03-06-2013, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by osagedr

This forum is a great place to bounce ideas around that can be vetted by our peers then taken to the AHA for consideration. Let's not try to stifle discussion or debate.

Have to agree Denny. The AHA wants the homebrew community to come to them when they should be going to the homebrew community.

Again I appreciate how difficult explosive growth can be to manage, but right now the AHA seems to stand for Annoying Hassles Always. Not a great way to encourage and nurture involvement.

**AnOldUR** · 03-06-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mjdonnelly68

The AHA wants the homebrew community to come to them when they should be going to the homebrew community.

Well, since Denny, an admin there, is reading this thread, it makes me think that they are going to other places in the homebrew community looking for suggestions and ideas. Nothing wrong with him pointing us in a direction that might be more effective.

**BrewKnurd** · 03-06-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by osagedr

This forum is a great place to bounce ideas around that can be vetted by our peers then taken to the AHA for consideration. Let's not try to stifle discussion or debate.

I don't think he was trying to stifle conversation, just pointing out that there's a way to get ideas to the decision makers, and this forum ain't it.

I mean, it's like the debate forum in a way. Nothing will come directly from anything that's said here.

**osagedr** · 03-06-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BrewKnurd

I don't think he was trying to stifle conversation, just pointing out that there's a way to get ideas to the decision makers, and this forum ain't it.

I mean, it's like the debate forum in a way. Nothing will come directly from anything that's said here.

The things that are kicked around here hopefully will lead to some good ideas being taken to the AHA.

The point is that discouraging discussion of ideas here is not cool.

**BrewKnurd** · 03-06-2013, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by osagedr

The things that are kicked around here hopefully will lead to some good ideas being taken to the AHA.

Right, and Denny just pointed out that you can cut out the middle man by kicking those ideas around on the AHA forum. In other words, you can discuss it here and hope it makes it to the AHA at some point, or you can just take it to the AHA from the start and ensure that it does. No hope required.

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Originally Posted by osagedr

The point is that discouraging discussion of ideas here is not cool.

I agree with that, I just don't agree that that's what Denny was doing. He was just pointing out that all you're doing here is talking amongst yourselves. He didn't say don't do it.

Anyways, bottom line is everyone should feel free to discuss this wherever and with whomever they prefer.

**osagedr** · 03-06-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BrewKnurd

Right, and Denny just pointed out that you can cut out the middle man by kicking those ideas around on the AHA forum. In other words, you can discuss it here and hope it makes it to the AHA at some point, or you can just take it to the AHA from the start and ensure that it does. No hope required.

Sounds perfectly reasonable, let's all not talk about something here and go out and sign up for another forum and talk about it there! What an epiphany!

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Originally Posted by BrewKnurd

, I just don't agree that that's what Denny was doing. He was just pointing out that all you're doing here is talking amongst yourselves. He didn't say don't do it.

To me and others it appeared to be discouraging debate. You saw it differently; good for you.

It's a discussion forum. People will discuss stuff, even if *horror of horrors* it doesn't lead to anything.

**Chriso** · 03-06-2013, 02:20 PM

Well, I certainly didn't interpret it as 'discouraging debate' - he simply told us the proper channel to discuss it with them.

I think the whole situation has brought out the worst in a lot of folks. There needs to be some RDW'ing and also some HAHB'ing.

Denny · 03-06-2013, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BrewKnurd

I don't think he was trying to stifle conversation, just pointing out that there's a way to get ideas to the decision makers, and this forum ain't it.

I mean, it's like the debate forum in a way. Nothing will come directly from anything that's said here.

Absolutely correct. Discuss and debate away here. But posting to the AHA forum will get your concerns and ideas directly in front of the people who can do something about them.