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Old 03-09-2011, 01:44 PM   #1
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Default For the Newbs entering competitions for the first time...

Many experienced brewers already know this, but I'm posting to prevent the initial shock of getting your scores back if you are a first timer.

Understand that judges are going to judge your beer against a very strict set of guidelines for a single style only!

What this means to you is that even though you get a low score on a particular characteristic, that does not necessarily mean that you beer is "bad". Only that it isn't appropriate for the style. Of course it could also mean that your beer IS bad... Read the comments to try and find out whether it is or not.

Also, scores can vary quite a bit between judges. Some judges have more experience and do a very good job of writing what they taste. Others are less skilled and do not do much writing.

Take their scores and notes with a grain of salt. It's really only with a few submissions that you can get a feel for whether there is something wrong with your beer, or if you can improve. Look for a common trend between judges to indicate a problem. It's entirely possible that a judge is having an off day.

Also understand that what appears at first to be a poor score, could actually be not bad at all. Let say you score a 32-35 out of 50. This is a VERY GOOD BEER! Generally within parameters with only minor flaws. To me this would indicate that there is a small recipe formulation problem, or there is a specific process that could be tweaked a bit. But, it's not a bad beer.

Remember, the judges are usually very good tasters, and can often taste very mild flavors. They are looking for them!

Anything over 38 is an EXCELLENT beer. Exemplifies the style well, and may only need minor tweaking (And I'm talking MINOR tweaking!)

You don't get a top score until you hit 45. And I know of very few people who hit those scores, especially on a consistent basis. I wouldn't say it's "no-hitter" territory, but it's pretty hard to do, especially when you factor in the variability in judging experience.

Remember the judges are actively looking for flaws and will often find them where others might not. Enter into several competitions to get a better feeling for what you might want to do to improve your beer (especially if judges contradict each other during a tasting, which they sometimes do).

Don't get discouraged by poor scores. For one, a poor score doesn't necessarily mean a bad beer. It might just mean that you didn't hit THAT STYLE! (I once entered an American Stout that got dinged for having too much hops flavor! But the judges said they loved it!) Secondly, think of it as a starting point on correcting whatever process/recipe problem you have. Brewing isn't rocket science. Usually flaws in beer can be corrected easily.

Have fun, RDWHAHB, and who knows, you may even pick up some nice bling to show off to your buddies!


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And you're not all that just because you won a medal at the local fair.


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Thanks Homer for the info and reassurance. This is either coincidence or you must have been reading my post in the other forum from the WEB comp. in which I was a little disappointed in my results(30,32,31). That was my first comp. and actually beers out of my first 5 batches ever. I really wasn't looking for anything other than feedback. It was a great learning experience but I wish the judges could write a little neater.
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And you're not all that just because you won a medal at the local fair.


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Yes. Sometimes you get lucky and like in sports, your chances of winning are directly proportional to the quality of your opponents.

Also there is a thing called beginners luck. Or you may actually be an excellent brewer starting out!

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Thanks Homer for the info and reassurance. This is either coincidence or you must have been reading my post in the other forum from the WEB comp. in which I was a little disappointed in my results(30,32,31). That was my first comp. and actually beers out of my first 5 batches ever. I really wasn't looking for anything other than feedback. It was a great learning experience but I wish the judges could write a little neater.

No, I just was thinking that competition season is gearing up and I remember from my own experience and from previous posts. It takes a little bit of reassurance sometimes to not get discouraged by what people may consider low scores.

I think the lower the score, the easier it is to correct your problem and start getting your score up.
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Yes. Sometimes you get lucky and like in sports, your chances of winning are directly proportional to the quality of your opponents.
Yep. Sometimes one beer might score, say 37; and go on to win a gold medal but another beer in another category might score 44 and not even medal.

I agree about legibility...but I'd like to become a certified judge some day and I can just imagine what my chicken scratch will look like when I'm on my 4th flight.
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Do any of you know of a website that lists competitions by area? I'm on my fourth brew ever and my buddy and I have finally created something we think will be pretty good and were looking to enter it in some competitions. Thanks!
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upcoming competitions
http://www.bjcp.org/apps/comp_schedule/competition_schedule.php
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so, how beneficial would this be to a (relatively) new brewer?

I just noticed a competition on may 14 that's about 15 minutes from me.

I just brewed a north english brown last weekend, first batch using my new setup. Hit my preboil gravity dead on, was a little low on OG, but my planned OG was on the high side for the category. I kept all the specs within the category according to beersmith. However, I used willamette hops instead of fuggles or EKG.

by entry time, this beer will be 9 weeks old, with 6 weeks in the bottle, which is more than enough aging time for a 1.047 OG beer.

Thinking about saving 2 to enter, what do you think?
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I was surprised the first competition I entered. It was my third original brew. Didn't get any negatives or noted flaws. All the notes were quite constructive. Probably would have scored higher if I hadn't noted the licorice and just went with a sweet stout. I included licorice root for a lingering sweetness. They were expecting licorice flavor which comes from fennle and anise. Lol

So keep that in mind. The judges might not get what you were doing with some ingredients. Heh


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