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Old 02-23-2011, 06:34 PM   #1
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So my GF gave some of my beers to her assistant to try, he's a burgeoning beer geek. What's interesting is that my Saison gave him an allergic reaction. He said his lips and face blew up as well as hives. He said it happened right away so the chance of coincidence is pretty low. He's pretty allergic to everything I guess, but all my other beers didn't affect him that way.

What's even more interesting is that this particular Saison was slightly soured by a sour mash I conducted using the lacto from the grain itself. No live lacto was added after the boil. I know my girlfriend had a reaction from Kambucha tea, so I wonder if the lacto or some other bug had pumped out something that would cause an allergic reaction. Any one ever hear of something like this happening?

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Old 02-23-2011, 06:58 PM   #2
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He didn't flame-up from the other beers? What is in the Saison that is not in the others?

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Old 02-23-2011, 07:01 PM   #3
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It must be the lactic acid from the sour mash.

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Old 02-23-2011, 07:18 PM   #4
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I've never heard of anyone being allergic to lactic acid, that make sense though.

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That's the only thing of which I can think. Unless you put spices in your saison (if you do shame on you... jk). Otherwise all of the ingredients are the same and that just leaves lactic acid.

I'm actually slightly allergic to citric acid. I can ingest it just fine, but if I'm handling a tomato I wear gloves because it irritates my skin.

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Allow me to qualify the above post.

I know the ingredients from beer to beer is different but you're still dealing in malt, hops, water and yeast.

Also does your saison have wheat in it? If so do your other beers you gave him have wheat? That might be a factor.

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Old 02-23-2011, 07:43 PM   #7
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Unless you put spices in your saison (if you do shame on you... jk).
I'm offended you would even suggest I'd do such a thing!!!!

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Also does your saison have wheat in it? If so do your other beers you gave him have wheat? That might be a factor.
Yes, the brown ale I gave him had 1/2lb of wheat as well. Don't think he has a wheat allergy.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:46 PM   #8
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could be any number of things produced by the bugs in the sour mashed saison....might be lactic acid, might be something else.

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Old 02-23-2011, 07:47 PM   #9
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I've had an allergic reaction to a beer once and I'm not allergic to anything. It was a brown ale. It was about my 10th all grain batch . It never happened before and it hasn't happened since, and I've probably done about 80 ag batches by now. After I kegged the batch i would taste little samples every day. I started to get itchy and irratated around my eyes. My eyes were like this for a week straight and I never even associated it with the beer. Then Friday rolled around and I drank 3 pints of it Friday night. I woke up saturday and my face looked like Hitch after he ate that seafood. It got worse throughout the day too. I finally went to urgent care and got a steroid shot. I didn't even think about the beer until my girlfriend said something about it. Needless to say I dumped it. I don't have a clue what caused it but i do know it was in the beer. I've used all the same ingredients that were in that beer at one point or another and it has never occured again. I know alot of people are going to say it wasn't because of the beer, but trust me it was.
I assume it was an infection of some sort but the beer tasted good.

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Old 02-23-2011, 10:02 PM   #10
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Considering the amouint of lactic acid produced by your own body I think it is doubtful that the tiny amount in a saison would cause a reaction. Given that you mentioned he was allergic to all sorts of stuff it could have been something that "contaminated" your beer. I mean something like peanuts that were in a grain bin or some other allergen that accidently made it's way into the raw ingredients.

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