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Old 11-01-2011, 07:34 PM   #1
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im really pissed!

first a little background, i have a 2 keggle set up for 10 gallon batches i do out infront of my garage, which faces an alley comprised of apartment complexes, my building is a 4 apartment house, which is typical for the alley. ive been brewing for 2 years with no problems out of my gagrage. about a year ago this asshole neighbor in his 60's (i think) moves in right next to me on the second floor, we share a small balcony, he is a horder, his garage is full of crap, has 5 POS vehices he parks all over the neighborhood and blocks my garage all the time so i have to ask him to move his POS to get into my garage. i am poliete about it, haved asked his several times not to park there. well friday was the last straw, he parking in front of my garage and was not home, and i had to get in! i called the landlord, she said to have it towed, cause she doesn't like him and he has caused other problems with her. so i call the parking enforcement, they come out and at the last second i changed my mind about the tow and had then write him a ticket. i left a note on his door because he was not home and that the next time it won't be a ticket and i will have him towed! later on he took my note, wrote FU on it and out it on my door! this is how a guy in his 60's is supposed to act?

Fast forward to last night (monday night), i find a typed letter on my door basicly saying that using an outdoor cooking device at my garage is illegal and the fire marshal shall be notified and i will be given a citation! also attached was a section from the fire code about outdoor flame devices. i am very familiar with building codes, i am an architect in training lol should have a liecense soon. i did some research and it seems using a grill, outdoor cooker etc with anything more than a 1lb propane container is illegal, unless the building is sprinklered or it is greater than 10' of non-combustible construction. ive been trying to call the fire department to ask some general questions. it seems to me, that unless someone complains, the fire department doesn't go around enforcing this, because we have bbqs on our second floor balcony. I have a small grill on the balcony, and my asshole neighbor puts up this gigantic 3 burner propane grill and a large charcoal grill also on our small balcony, you can see how big an asshole he is. this guy just takes and takes. he also stores other crap between the buildings becuase his garage is piled high with useless junk.

so anyways, my gutt tells me my asshole neighbor put the letter on my door and it was not someone else in the nieghbor hood becasue for 2 years i have not had a problem untill i call the parking enforcemt on this guy for not being home and blocking my garage. i think hes trying to get back at me.

just need to vent, im pissed. i don't want to brew in my kitchen. i think im going to ask him about the letter, since if the fire marshal comes out, none of us are going to have a bbq anymore. im pretty much still going to brew untill im told to stop.

also my landlord is cool with it, and she tells me she had other tennants in other buildings who brew. but i haven't mentioned the letter to her.

I really cant convince myself that someone else who sees me brewing and minding my own business, went and looked up the fire code, typed up this letter and attached it to my door, because they had nothing better to do. what do you guys think? too much of a coincedence if you ask me.



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Old 11-01-2011, 07:37 PM   #2
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People suck.

But he's retaliating for you calling parking enforcement. As you said, no one enforces the law unless someone complains, both for parking violations and for outdoor cooking.

It sounds like this isn't going to be resolved, unless you and your neighbor can get along. Any chance you could invite him outside for a beer and become friends?



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Old 11-01-2011, 07:38 PM   #3
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also my landlord is cool with it, and she tells me she had other tennants in other buildings who brew. but i haven't mentioned the letter to her.
I would get ahold of her ASAP, tell her what's going on, and get a letter from her as your landlord granting you permission to brew on her property.
Get it notorized if possible.

If there's a hassle and least you can show that she as property owner and landlord lets you brew.

If possible have her mention in the letter that you have been brewing there, with her knowledge for as long as you have been.
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Screw him. Keep brewing. And if he does call the fire marshal take him up to your balcony and show him your neighbors grill. Just remember, as tough as he can make it on you, you too can make it really tough on him. I don't like being this way but I wouldn't let someone dictate to me what I can and can't do with out repercussions.

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Old 11-01-2011, 07:46 PM   #5
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I would get ahold of her ASAP, tell her what's going on, and get a letter from her as your landlord granting you permission to brew on her property.
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the problem is not with having the landlords permission, the fire code governs and is enforcable by the fire marshall.

it could be him, but if its not then we are both screwed. this sucks.
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People suck.

But he's retaliating for you calling parking enforcement. As you said, no one enforces the law unless someone complains, both for parking violations and for outdoor cooking.

It sounds like this isn't going to be resolved, unless you and your neighbor can get along. Any chance you could invite him outside for a beer and become friends?
we alwasy got along fine, beside the parking issue. hes a jerk and ive had it, everybody in the neighboor hood doesn't like him. i will discuss this with him tonight, but if it is not him then i don't know what im going to do, keep brewing until told to stop.
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Do what Revvy says.... it is called CYA and is something everyone should do when an issue of law arises in their life.

Anything that is on paper, file it and save it forever...or until your asshole neighbor moves.

In the mean time, I'd keep brewing

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The first thing you need to do is to check with the loacal fire department and find out if they adopted the code. Not all codes are adopted by the Authorith Having Jurisdiction (your local fire department). It sounds like he did not give you the entire code, because there are usaly a list of exemptions and distances involved. Call your local fire department durring normal business hours and ask for the Fire Marshal or prevention specialist, but any Engine Copnay Captain should be able to answer the question. If you were to get caught and it was against code you would probaly recive a warning and they would inform you of the code. I do not recomend turning this into a large dispute but a lot of cities and Fire Departments have created codes about hoarding (true hoarding). Most Vehicle codes do not allow for parking on a street for more than 72 hours at a time some areas are less.
Hope you can work it out.

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the problem is not with having the landlords permission, the fire code goverens and is enforcable by the fire marshall.

it could be him, but if its not then we are both screwed. this sucks.
BUT....even if they come out, it doesn't mean they have to write you a citation, does it?

If you have a letter they may just roll their eyes at the whole stupid situation rather than actually enforcing it.....

The other thing I suggest is that you go and get a cheap fire extiquinsher and have it with your gear, that way it shows that you've taken at least a little effort in being "fire safe." Another thing to make them shake their head at the BS of the situation.

What is your other option? Ignore it an HOPE he doesn't call, or take a couple of measures so that if he does call, and they do come out, that it looks like you've dotted all the "I's" and crossed your "T's"

This way you're not standing there with your thump up your ass when they DO show up. (Because more than likely he WILL call, and they WILL be forced to come out.)

They call it "covering your a$$" for a reason....
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Is there a way that you can somehow just move your burner at least 10' from the building? Maybe measure 10' out directly in front of his door and park it, brew away

Seriously though, maybe you can just find a nice spot so you are adhering to the fire code...as long as the landlord is cool with it.



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