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Old 05-15-2009, 08:48 PM   #221
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If there were no non-smoking bars to begin with, is there a real demand for them???
Seeing how business in bars has gone way up, clearly.
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:48 PM   #222
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There is no public demand for rats. Dumb argument.
Its not about public demand though, isn't it about property rights? Shouldn't a restraunt owner have the right to have rats? Its a slipperly slope. Where does it end?
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:52 PM   #223
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Its not about public demand though, isn't it about property rights? Shouldn't a restraunt owner have the right to have rats? Its a slipperly slope. Where does it end?
Clearly, it began at bathroom exhaust fans, and ultimately, it ends at homebrew.
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:53 PM   #224
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Fatty Arbuckle having a 5th double cheesburger has no effect on me sitting next to him.. unless he craps himself or farts while doing so.
Well, I guess you're right about that.

My point is that allowing the government to make decisions for me regarding what I can and can't do in what is healthy and what isn't would tell me that I'm just intellectually lazy and unwilling to bear self-responsibility.
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:55 PM   #225
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My point is that allowing the government to make decisions for me regarding what I can and can't do in what is healthy and what isn't would tell me that I'm just intellectually lazy and unwilling to bear self-responsibility.
Its not about what you can or can't do. Its about what you can or can't do to someone else.
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:09 PM   #226
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Before the bans in my state (was MA, now IL), I had never seen a non smoking bar, so no, that wasn't a choice.
People keep bringing this up, but it doesn't make any sense to me. You still have a choice, you just may need to go further then your used to, or open one yourself, or convince a local establishment with collective buying power.

In my city there are no resturants that serve Bunny. So is it the onerous of the collective resturant owners to start selling rabbit legs because I have a craving for deep fried longear? No, I can either go to someplace that has rabit on the menu...probably not in my state, or I can open up a rabbit serving resturant. If those aren't an option, then it is up to me to find a resturant that is receptive to doing a bunny special once a week, or something like that.
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:33 PM   #227
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Its not about what you can or can't do. Its about what you can or can't do to someone else.
Then don't go to a smoking establishment. Look, if you read some of my previous posts, you should be able to infer that I'm not of the opinion that smoking should be allowed anywhere and everywhere. But what bothers me is that the public was virtually silent, while laws were made under the guise of worker safety. The non-smoking majority sat back and let it happen because they (dare I say, we) don't like breathing in second-hand smoke in restaurants and other public establishments.

What else could that happen to now? That's essentially how prohibition started. I fully agree that indoor public smoking should have been significantly decreased. But as I said before, there were other ways to accomplish this than to counter-act the fundamental freedoms of enterprise we enjoy in this nation.
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:40 PM   #228
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While I quit smoking over a year ago, I feel that if I want to open a bar that caters to smokers who want to bring their pets I should be allowed to. We are way past half way down the slippery slope
Wow my post was on page 2 and we are talking from different sides of the argument
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