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Old 01-23-2013, 11:58 PM   #1
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Default Molasses flavorde IPA?

Last two batches of IPA (all grain) have a sweet molasses flavor.. Only thing I'm doing different than before, is aerating using an aquarium pump and air stone for about an hour (where I was just rocking the wort after pitching), and also bumping the ferment temp up to about 73 degrees or so after primary (about 68 degrees during primary) as per suggested in the book 'Yeast'...

I've also been dry hopping in the carboy after about two weeks of ferment... leaving it with the whole hops on top for about a week, and then cold crashing for a few days and kegging/carbonating...

using Safale SA-05..

I've never had this issue before... It's still drinkable, just not something I'm crazy about...

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Oh, I made a a batch of Ed Worts Haus Pale Ale in between, and it came out fine... So I'm wondering if it has to do with the dry hopping process...

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Dry hopping won't do that. Let's see some recipes!

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I'm wondering if waiting so long to dry hop is causing oxidation or something...
The recipe is essentially ed worts Bee Cave IPA...
Bee Cave IPA

Could I be calling 'grassy' or oxidized, molasses?

The beer does seem a bit darker than usual..

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Would under pitching or an incomplete ferment cause this issue?

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Would under pitching or an incomplete ferment cause this issue?
Yes.

But the recipe is solid, and so we have to look at underpitching, fermentation temperature, oxidation, water chemistry, etc.

Can you give you give us some details about the beer- like if you did use a clearing vessel ("secondary") and if you did if there was a lot of headspace?

In the back of my mind, I'm picturing a wort that got a little caramelized, and had some headspace in secondary, leading to a "molasses" type flavor. but I could very well be wrong!
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Yes.

But the recipe is solid, and so we have to look at underpitching, fermentation temperature, oxidation, water chemistry, etc.

Can you give you give us some details about the beer- like if you did use a clearing vessel ("secondary") and if you did if there was a lot of headspace?

In the back of my mind, I'm picturing a wort that got a little caramelized, and had some headspace in secondary, leading to a "molasses" type flavor. but I could very well be wrong!
11g batch, fermented in two 6.5G glass carboys.... Fermented for about 5 days, and after krausen fell, bumped temp up to about 73 degrees for about 10 days... then removed 1" blow off tubes, and dumped 2 oz of whole hops in and installed airlocks.. no real gas production at this point... left in there for about 9-10 days (at 73 degrees), and then cold crashed to about 34 degrees for 5 days, transferred and filtered through a 1 micron filter and then carbed for 8 days...
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I am most suspecting oxidation.... I'm just wondering if that is what I am tasting...

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I am most suspecting oxidation.... I'm just wondering if that is what I am tasting...
Sure sounds like it. I don't filter, but I wonder if the 1 micron size was small enough to remove much of the hops aroma and flavor, and instead leave behind more of a "sherry" flavor (which is oxidation). Have you ever had sherry or madiera? It has almost a brandy flavor to it- that's what oxidation can do.
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Sure sounds like it. I don't filter, but I wonder if the 1 micron size was small enough to remove much of the hops aroma and flavor, and instead leave behind more of a "sherry" flavor (which is oxidation). Have you ever had sherry or madiera? It has almost a brandy flavor to it- that's what oxidation can do.
No I haven't.. Maybe I should.. I can hardly drink this stuff.. I blended it 50/50 with some lagunitas last night and that made it drinkable....

I might try running some through my hops randall and see if that helps mask/offset it....

Other then that, I guess I'll just bottle it all up and use it to blend with other beers later....

I have a batch of IPA based on B3's American IPA kit that is just about done with primary now.. I think I will fast track this one and keg this one after two weeks, without dry hopping it or anything.. If it comes out all right, then I know it's my dry hopping method that caused the problem.. (or possibly the filter?)

I'm wondering, can a march pump be used to draw beer out of the carboy and through a filter and hops randall? Or would that be too much resistance...

I'd like to just do it that way, filter it and force hop it on the way to the keg... But even if the pump can handle the resistance, I'm wondering how I would prime it to draw from the carboys?

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