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McMalty · 02-12-2013, 01:53 AM

I'm drawing up a recipe for an ipa that uses almost exclusively late addition hops. what do u think I'd get better flavor from at 20 mins, 1 oz simcoe or 3 oz cascade? leaf hops. (there's gonna be other late additions, just trying to figure if it would be better to do the simcoe earlier or later). Thanks

Dynachrome · 02-12-2013, 01:59 AM

Do you mean that you aren't going to add any/much early addition hops?

I'd suggest going and looking at about a dozen IPA recipes. I like IPAs and have done a few. I'm not picturing...

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almost exclusively late addition hops

....working for my palate.

Willing to share your recipe, or is it top-secret?

acidrain · 02-12-2013, 04:17 AM

Um, yeah... that doesn't sound good at all.

**crazyirishman34** · 02-12-2013, 04:20 AM

I understand what you are trying to do. What hop you are going to use depends on the flavor you want to have in your beer. The Simcoe is going to have a pine flavor and the Cascade is going to be a citrus flavor.

**nukebrewer** · 02-12-2013, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dynachrome

Do you mean that you aren't going to add any/much early addition hops?

I'd suggest going and looking at about a dozen IPA recipes. I like IPAs and have done a few. I'm not picturing...
....working for my palate.

Willing to share your recipe, or is it top-secret?

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Originally Posted by acidrain

Um, yeah... that doesn't sound good at all.

There's lots of beers that use either exclusively or almost exclusively late hops. Why do you say that doesn't sound good? The research (as well as personal (mine and others) experience) shows that all late hops (aka hop bursting) provides an incredibly smooth bitterness with tons of hop aroma and flavor. What's not to love about that? I myself have a few recipes either brewed or on deck within the next few weeks that have a small FWH addition but the bulk of the hops (90%+) are late hops.

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't even provide my opinion because I was too busy with my comments regarding narrow mindedness. I personally would go with the Cascade, but probably not 3 oz. Maybe 2 oz and then see where that leaves you. You might also consider first wort hopping where you aad some hops once you start collecting your runnings. If you're doing extract with grains then this can be approximated by adding the FWH addition upon removing your steeping grains and commencing the heat up to boil. FWH, based on studies and anecdotal experience, provides a smooth bitterness and unique aroma effect. Best of luck in your recipe development. Cheers!

bobbrews · 02-12-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nukebrewer

There's lots of beers that use either exclusively or almost exclusively late hops.

I would re-word this statement as follows for better accuracy:

There are a couple of great craft breweries out there, like Maine Beer Co., that are adding a hefty amount of whirlpool hops to a few of their beers in order to gain amazing aroma and about 50% of their total IBU content.

Reason being, these breweries are generally not ignoring hop additions from 90-20 min. in favor of exclusively implementing 15-0 min additions.

McMalty · 02-12-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbrews

I would re-word this statement as follows for better accuracy:

There are a couple of great craft breweries out there, like Maine Beer Co., that are adding a hefty amount of whirlpool hops to a few of their beers in order to gain amazing aroma and about 50% of their total IBU content.

Reason being, these breweries are generally not ignoring hop additions from 90-20 min. in favor of exclusively implementing 15-0 min additions.

Firestone Walker uses almost exclusively late hop additions in most of their beers, and every one I've had to date is awesome, including union jack ipa. So I'm pretty sure its more common than a lot of people think. I'm just trying to figure it out myself. I want to use cascade, centennial, a bit of simcoe and prob bitter with just 1 oz colombus. Any thoughts on a 5 gal all grain batch? How many oz do I need to add late?

**Schemy** · 02-12-2013, 08:51 PM

Big fan of FWH and Late hop additions. I like my IPA's to very floral, love a huge aroma with a smooth (read: not harsh) bitterness. This can be achieved through the methods discussed above. I try to let do a FWH addition, and second small addition at 45 and then everything else at 15 and on. I generally have the bulk of my bitterness in the FWH charge with the addition at 45 to round out the bitterness, and then really bring it home with all the late hops.

I am planning a Fresh Brett IPA with FWH and then huge additions at the end.

**crazyirishman34** · 02-12-2013, 08:57 PM

What about something like this?

Recipe: Hopburst IPA
Brewer:
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 6.52 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.98 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 4.60 gal
Estimated OG: 1.073 SG
Estimated Color: 4.8 SRM
Estimated IBU: 67.8 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 86.3 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
13 lbs Premium 2 Row (Great Western) (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 91.2 %
1 lbs Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 7.0 %
4.0 oz Crystal 15, 2-Row, (Great Western) (15.0 Grain 3 1.8 %
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - First Wo Hop 4 22.2 IBUs
2.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 5 20.9 IBUs
2.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 6 9.8 IBUs
2.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 7 14.9 IBUs
1.75 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Aroma Steep 10. Hop 8 0.0 IBUs
1.75 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Aroma Steep 10.0 min Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
2.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Day Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 11 0.0 IBUs

Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body
Total Grain Weight: 14 lbs 4.0 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 17.81 qt of water at 161.5 F 148.0 F 75 min
Mash Out Add 11.40 qt of water at 204.8 F 168.0 F 10 min

Sparge: Fly sparge with 1.18 gal water at 168.0 F

**crazyirishman34** · 02-12-2013, 09:03 PM

I guess that you could do the CTZ at 45 minutes