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Old 02-25-2013, 03:10 PM   #1
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Still new to brewing, but have seen some kits that say the lager yeast works at ale temps.. Specifically a Munich helles. I have the chiller to lager it, but if its not needed it can house a batch coming off conditioning soon.. Should I lager it or just ferment as an ale?

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Old 02-25-2013, 03:12 PM   #2
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Still new to brewing, but have seen some kits that say the lager yeast works at ale temps.. Specifically a Munich helles. I have the chiller to lager it, but if its not needed it can house a batch coming off conditioning soon.. Should I lager it or just ferment as an ale?
A good Helles must be fermented cool then lagered, usually for a few weeks. You can do a diacetyl rest at 60F after a week of fermenting if you want.
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:14 PM   #3
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Lager yeast strains will definitely ferment at ale temperatures- but that's not usually the way to make the best tasting lager.

If you want to make a pseudo-lager, you could use a very "clean" ale yeast, like pacman (if you can find it) or nottingham, and ferment at about 60 degrees. That will give a more "lager like" finish to the beer, rather than using a lager yeast at ale temperatures.

If you can ferment at 65 or so, you could use White Labs 001, and that will give you a similar result.

Using a lager yeast at ale temperatures can work, but only with certain strains for good results and it's not usually going to give a lager like finish.

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Many lager yeasts work well at higher temps, but the resulting beer has more of the characteristics of an ale. There will be more esters giving what, in a lager, would usually classify as "off flavors."

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Old 02-25-2013, 03:43 PM   #5
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If you want to make a pseudo-lager, you could use a very "clean" ale yeast, like pacman (if you can find it) or nottingham, and ferment at about 60 degrees. That will give a more "lager like" finish to the beer, rather than using a lager yeast at ale temperatures.
kolsch yeast is another option. it's meant to be fermented mid 50's to very low 60's. you then need to lager it for a few weeks to get the yeast to drop out (or use finings).

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Using a lager yeast at ale temperatures can work,
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:54 PM   #6
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Ok so it's time to piss off the wife and load the fridge with the conditioned batch while the Munich helles lagers in the chiller.. Gotcha!!

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Heck, as far as that goes, any yeast will be happy to ferment like nobody's business at 90F, the flavor of the beer is what is at stake.

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Or WL029 kolsh yeast. It's a ale/lager hybrid that they say gives a clean,lager like flavor between 65-69F. I'm trying it on one light colored batch & one black. Useing malts that typically are used to make lagers as well as hops can also aid in the illusion.
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