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Old 02-24-2013, 03:24 AM   #1
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Is it just me or has "IPA" simply come to mean a highly hopped version of any given beer style? I mean everywhere you turn you'll see a recipe that looks like a respectable Irish or porter etc. but it has a long hop schedule appended to it, so, Walla, "<traditional_style> IPA" is born. Or am I nuts (which is certainly possible)? Is this really just all that "IPA" really boils down to meaning (pun not intended)?

(We could talk about high gravity beers being "imperials" too)

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Old 02-24-2013, 04:35 AM   #2
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Is it just me or has "IPA" simply come to mean a highly hopped version of any given beer style? I mean everywhere you turn you'll see a recipe that looks like a respectable Irish or porter etc. but it has a long hop schedule appended to it, so, Walla, "<traditional_style> IPA" is born. Or am I nuts (which is certainly possible)? Is this really just all that "IPA" really boils down to meaning (pun not intended)?

(We could talk about high gravity beers being "imperials" too)
I think because of its recent rise in popularity people are trying to fuse it with other styles to do something "different". Im personally not a fan of the whole Black IPA thing. If I want an IPA then I'll drink one. If I want something dark and roasty then I'll grab a stout/porter/brown. Them together as a hybrid I can do without. But in all honesty Imperial Stouts have 50-90 IBU which is about the same IBU range for an IPA so the whole Black IPA thing has is basically a new name for a style that already exists. The only difference being instead of using a smaller amount of hops, mainly as bittering additions, they are using a lot more hops towards the end of the boil. Imperial is also another recent trend with everyone trying to brew everything as a big beer. It may be a fad but to try and describe a beer somewhat true to a style you have to include "Imperial" if its OG is higher than the guidelines for that style.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:44 AM   #3
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Hops taste good. They are like spicy food, once you get a taste for it, everything else taste bland.

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I think because of its recent rise in popularity people are trying to fuse it with other styles to do something "different". Im personally not a fan of the whole Black IPA thing. If I want an IPA then I'll drink one. If I want something dark and roasty then I'll grab a stout/porter/brown. Them together as a hybrid I can do without. But in all honesty Imperial Stouts have 50-90 IBU which is about the same IBU range for an IPA so the whole Black IPA thing has is basically a new name for a style that already exists. The only difference being instead of using a smaller amount of hops, mainly as bittering additions, they are using a lot more hops towards the end of the boil. Imperial is also another recent trend with everyone trying to brew everything as a big beer. It may be a fad but to try and describe a beer somewhat true to a style you have to include "Imperial" if its OG is higher than the guidelines for that style.
Black ipas and imperial stouts are very different! Try firestones wookie jack next to north coasts old rasputin ris ( or any imperial stout for that matter) and you should notice a big difference (unless you cant smell things...)
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I havnt brewed too many beers yet but the cascadian dark ale i made was my favorite one. I love the combination of roasted dark malts and lots of late hop additions. I like the idea of combining different styles or like you said takibg existing beers and hopping them up, why the hell not? Stay thirsty!

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Is it just me or has "IPA" simply come to mean a highly hopped version of any given beer style? I mean everywhere you turn you'll see a recipe that looks like a respectable Irish or porter etc. but it has a long hop schedule appended to it, so, Walla, "<traditional_style> IPA" is born. Or am I nuts (which is certainly possible)? Is this really just all that "IPA" really boils down to meaning (pun not intended)?

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You're not nuts.

A BLACK India PALE ale.

A RED PALE.

Etc.

Seems dumb. And contradictory.
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Thats why the name cascadian dark ale is used. Black ipa makes no sence

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Black ipas and imperial stouts are very different! Try firestones wookie jack next to north coasts old rasputin ris ( or any imperial stout for that matter) and you should notice a big difference (unless you cant smell things...)
I know they are very different. But like I said the biggest difference is instead of getting most of the IBUs from bittering additions its achieved from using larger quantities later in the boil making the hop flavor/aroma more pronounced. Other than that the styles are pretty much the same. Black IPAs are basically just stout/porter grain bills with a IPAs hop schedule.
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I'll go you one better. One of the most popular beers in Canada is billed as an "India Pale Ale." It's called Alexander Keith's, and it was one of my favorite beers before I fell down the rabbit hole and discovered craft beers.

It's an AB-Inbev owned macrobeer that says "India Pale Ale" right on the label, but is not an IPA for at least 4 reasons.

1.) Its SRM is way too low, it's much closer to a blonde
2.) It's a lager, not an ale
3.) Its IBUs are far too low (17) to qualify as an IPA
4.) Its alcohol content is too low (4%) to qualify as an IPA

Yet if you go to a bar in Canada and ask if they have an India Pale Ale, they'll say, "Yup, we sure do, we have Keith's."

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I'll go you one better. One of the most popular beers in Canada is billed as an "India Pale Ale." It's called Alexander Keith's, and it was one of my favorite beers before I fell down the rabbit hole and discovered craft beers.

It's an AB-Inbev owned macrobeer that says "India Pale Ale" right on the label, but is not an IPA for at least 4 reasons.

1.) Its SRM is way too low, it's much closer to a blonde
2.) It's a lager, not an ale
3.) Its IBUs are far too low (17) to qualify as an IPA
4.) Its alcohol content is too low (4%) to qualify as an IPA

Yet if you go to a bar in Canada and ask if they have an India Pale Ale, they'll say, "Yup, we sure do, we have Keith's."

That aint cool. Someone needs to do something to set them straight. Thats basically false advertisement.
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