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Old 12-01-2010, 02:04 AM   #1
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A lot of my friends have had the same reaction when trying an IIPA- they love the maltiness for the first second, and then HATE it.

So I am contemplating making a beer similar to an IPA, but dialing back the hops quite a bit.

Are there styles that would fit this description? Or am I better off just taking an IIPA recipe, and cutting the hops in half?

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Old 12-01-2010, 02:08 AM   #2
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A lot of my friends have had the same reaction when trying an IIPA- they love the maltiness for the first second, and then HATE it.

So I am contemplating making a beer similar to an IPA, but dialing back the hops quite a bit.

Are there styles that would fit this description? Or am I better off just taking an IIPA recipe, and cutting the hops in half?
IMO, that is the real mark of an IIPA. It's a very malty backbone, balanced with ample hops. I find IPA's much more hop foward than IIPAs. I think IIPAs are really balanced. I'm thinking that cutting the hops would make the beer way to malty, maybe even too sweet.
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Old 12-01-2010, 02:30 AM   #3
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Yeah maybe use an IIPA malt bill so its a high gravity ale, and just scale back the IBU/SG ratio. You could also maybe use english hops to give it more of a mild hop taste. Do they not like the citrus flavor or what is it they hate about it?

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Old 12-01-2010, 02:38 AM   #4
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They don't like the bitterness- to them, it's a malty backbone with way too much hops- not really balanced. I agree that IPAs are more hop forward, but IIPAs are still pretty bitter.

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Old 12-01-2010, 02:39 AM   #5
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If they don't like the bitterness, keep in mind that with higher alcohol, the bitterness will be lessened, with the same amount of hops. I once made a rye IPA that was over 8% and around 80 IBU's. I'm not a huge bitter hophead, but I liked the way it turned out; could barely discern the bitterness. It was enough to get the job done.

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Late addition hops will bring the bitterness down...cut back the 60 min hop additions and boost the 10, 5, 0 min additions.

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...look into barley wines. Its basically a less hopped, less attenuated IIPA.

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Just keep forcing IPAs down their throats until they learn to love them like the rest of us

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Thanks for all the suggestions- and I don't want to waste my good IPA on someone who winces :-).

One response I got to this was to make a Scottish Ale- I'm not terribly familiar with the style- what are your thoughts?

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I just bottled a scotch Wee Heavy I brewed a couple of months ago. There is a total of 1 oz of hops in the entire 5 gallon batch. It's seriously malty, smells like vanilla toffee and caramel, and SWMBO just told me to make sure we always have some. Its around 9%, and is essentially diametrically opposite of an IIPA in terms of bitterness. The kit from Northern Brewer is the one I recommend to try it out.

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