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Old 01-16-2013, 04:56 AM   #1
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Yep i am, it doesn't open for another month and judging is in march but im already tasting my beers. Im drinking RIS right now that i pampered for 6months of fermentation/conditioning, same recipe done 2nd time and it is fantastic. Last Saturday i tried 2 bottles of belgian double (split batch fermented with two different strains) and i am totally disappointed, i did this recipe before and it was much much better, i thought about not sending it but hell i want the notes. Then i have BDS, month ago i had some not fully carbonated sample and it wasnt good i hope it will be better after some time in the bottle. I haven't tried vanilla stout yet but i have good feeling about this one, and then i have my own design saison that i like very much. Im thinking about adding triples but its rather old and im not crazy about it so maybe 5 beers will be enough for the 1st time. Anyway i thought i would share my excitement here , whats your take on the competitions?

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Old 01-16-2013, 05:32 PM   #2
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Wow, you're a fan of big beers!

Competitions are great. I actually won Category 23 and got 2nd place Best in Show in a local competition last year for a weird beer that most of the judges had never tried before so it's rather validating. It's incredibly exciting but not only that you can great notes from people who know what they're talking about... mostly

Good luck! I hope your brews do really well. Be sure to keep us updated.

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Old 01-16-2013, 06:21 PM   #3
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I've known some people will send in 12-20 beers for one competition. Crazy! Hell, I saw a guy deliver TWO CASES one time. 24 beers in one comp! (I don't know how he did, but let's hope it'd be well. Haha.)

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I've found competitions to be extremely subjective and a bit of a joke. For example, brewing an English Old Ale will almost guarantee poor rests since it will be tasted side by side with barley wines. Almost all old ales will taste bland compared to a barley wine, even if its a perfect representation of the style, and I've found most judges can't compensate for a tired palate so beers judged later in a flight will get a much different judging than a beer early in the round.

Due to a mix up last year at my LHBS I accidentally entered a contest twice with the same beer. Early in the round I scored a 38, but the SAME BEER judged by the SAME JUDGE later in the round received a 22. His handwriting was worse, and so was his judging ability. I've basically written off competitions now. Winning or losing is no more an indicator of your brewing skill as a scratch ticket is an indicator of your gambling skills.

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I've found competitions to be extremely subjective and a bit of a joke. For example, brewing an English Old Ale will almost guarantee poor rests since it will be tasted side by side with barley wines. Almost all old ales will taste bland compared to a barley wine, even if its a perfect representation of the style, and I've found most judges can't compensate for a tired palate so beers judged later in a flight will get a much different judging than a beer early in the round.
I judged in a comp last year and gave an Old Ale first, an Old Ale second and an English Barleywine third. Old Ales done right deserve recognition!

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Due to a mix up last year at my LHBS I accidentally entered a contest twice with the same beer. Early in the round I scored a 38, but the SAME BEER judged by the SAME JUDGE later in the round received a 22. His handwriting was worse, and so was his judging ability. I've basically written off competitions now. Winning or losing is no more an indicator of your brewing skill as a scratch ticket is an indicator of your gambling skills.
I invite you to judge beers for 8 straight hours (or more!) and see how your skills stack up! Personally, I drink very little of each beer for this exact reason. Some judges (usually less experienced, but not always) seem to drink their entire sample every time.
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I invite you to judge beers for 8 straight hours (or more!) and see how your skills stack up! Personally, I drink very little of each beer for this exact reason. Some judges (usually less experienced, but not always) seem to drink their entire sample every time.
Saying "nuh uh, you try it!" doesn't make my point any less valid.

I appreciate your personal abilities as a judge, but I'm simply saying not all judges have your restraint, and the scoring system suffers greatly for it.
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I'm not a fan of paying people to drink my beer but there is a local competition here in Indiana called "UpCup" that is run by Upland Brewing Co. in Bloomington. It is a ton of fun. Really good catered food and all the homebrew you can possibly drink. All for the price of entering your beer into competition.

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Saying "nuh uh, you try it!" doesn't make my point any less valid.

I appreciate your personal abilities as a judge, but I'm simply saying not all judges have your restraint, and the scoring system suffers greatly for it.
Valid point. The BJCP (and your local comps) are greatly in need of judges who want to give good feedback - perhaps you could be one of them someday?

If it makes you feel better, I've gotten TERRIBLE score sheets back. Some quick examples:
1) A BGSA with remarks like: "Aroma, good. Color, good. Flavor, good." Did not even bother to fill out the overall impression. 40/50. Did not advance to Mini-BOS.
2) My personal favorite. A rauchbier. "Aroma: smoke. Flavor: smoke." 38/50. Nothing else was written on the score sheet.


My point is, we need a lot more quality judges to improve the overall quality of competitions. My practice is to fill out the score sheet as if I was receiving it. I just wish everyone else could/would do that.



Sorry to OT the thread, OP.
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Polboy,

Which competition are you entering? I have a guess based on the time frame you mentioned and your location.

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. . . . . . . Mini-BOS. . . . . . . .
AmandaK, what is mini-BOS, I have a 3rd place in the Vail Big Beers competition that currently has a check in the mini-BOS column, what does this signify? Is it still in the running for something or is this pre BOS? Haven't gotten that far in the BJCP books or just missed it somewhere.

Sorry for the thread HJ as well, although it is related to judging so may be on topic.
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