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Old 07-25-2009, 08:43 PM   #11
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I don't think the fees would be too necessary if people were paying retail on what you'd be getting at whole-sale. Or you could flip it the other way around, charge whole-sale on ingredients and have the member fee to compensate for overhead.

Might even be able to start a micro-brewery that way. A co-op microbrew-homebrew store. Sell bottles/kegs/growlers of home brew to the general public.


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Old 07-25-2009, 09:13 PM   #12
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The IRS has a saying: "The difference between avoidance and evasion is about 7-10 years." I have no idea what the laws are in the Buckeye State regarding what you propose, but I'm sure you'll research it very, VERY thoroughly before you proceed. Laws involving alcohol in this country are some of the most complex, involved, and irrational there are. Be careful out there.

As a cautionary tale, I live in The Great State of Illinois. Recently, we had the owner of a bar purveying the best selection of micro-craft beers in the area open his own microbrewery in a building one street West of this bar. This micro will be producing four beers, draft only. Under Illinois law, while he can sell the beer in the micro's brewpub, any kegs off those premises will have to be sent from his microbrewery to a licensed distributor. This means the kegs will have to be loaded into a truck, transported several miles, and then transported BACK to his original bar one street away from the brewery he also owns. Res ipse loquitur.
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Old 07-26-2009, 01:17 AM   #13
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I live in Columbus and gotta be honest, I dont really like this idea. It sounds like a brew on premise place to me. Which is fine if thats what you want to do. I work for a fractional airline and the thing about fractionals you need a lot of planes (or in this case kettles, burners etc.) because everyone wants to brew on the weekends, or at crazy times like 5 am or midnight. All the brewers I know, and al the brewers in the local clubs have the equipment for the most part. Sounds like this venture would be targeting new brewers who have nothing. Once they start brewing I'm pretty sure they'll want their own kit.
just my 2 cents. good luck though
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I had a similar idea for here in so cal actually.. I saw it once on either a discovery show or a news program or something.

I doubt you would have to get a micro brew license. Technically you would be a LHBS / Storage Facility and would just need a standard business license since you are only providing a place for the public to do what they are doing.

Interesting thing to research though...
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Check the Ohio laws, or better yet, find an attorney that is well versed in the alcoholic beverage code. Like rico567 said, alcohol laws in this country are incredibly screwed up and can vary greatly from state to state. Telling the IRS or some other 3-letter agency that "the people on homebrewtalk.com said they thought it was OK" isn't going to fly

Interesting idea, probably not something I would do if I lived in the area though. I like doing everything at home.
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Check the Ohio laws, or better yet, find an attorney that is well versed in the alcoholic beverage code. Like rico567 said, alcohol laws in this country are incredibly screwed up and can vary greatly from state to state. Telling the IRS or some other 3-letter agency that "the people on homebrewtalk.com said they thought it was OK" isn't going to fly
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My room mate is in law school. I could ask him to comb his resources.

Also, my thoughts on this is that it would be convenient for advanced brewers who only occasionally want to do larger batches, so that they can have the ideal mash tun size. I'd have a large pressure cooker for steam infusion mashes, a zopinator and other more specific equipment that a single brewer might only use occasionally or would want to experiment with.
In addition, I'd like to have a few large fermentation vessels, in the neighborhood of allowing 20 and 30 gal batches, so that home brewers would be able to make large batches for special occasions, or just for group brews.
The real idea here is to accommodate further experimentation among brewers, while reducing the investment. I'd also provide free use of equipment for force carbonation and, ideally, keg rental.

I'd eventually like to provide some more specialized form of a bottling setup than a simple bucket, but I see that as down the line.

Thank you hcarter,
I'm going to check with the Winemaker's Guild and see what they say about their hurdles and local laws.

Thanks boondoggie,
I like the IncrediBREW setup even though it's not what I'm going for. It gives me hope that such a thing as this might just work, business-wise. I fine what they are doing interesting and it's probably a more sound business strategy than what I'm working with, but my main goal is to make homebrewing cheaper, more accessible and to allow for more creativity.


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