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Old 11-26-2012, 07:25 PM   #211
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I wonder how the bitterness from hop extract hits the palate compared to boiled hops. FWH makes a huge difference, for example. I made massive IPA recently that had a calculated 200 IBU, but it was all FWH and late additions. It was definitely bitter but the bitterness rolled up and off the palate in a way that didn't make it seem all too bitter. I wonder how the extract works as far as this.

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Old 11-26-2012, 07:29 PM   #212
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Well, I tried not to ask a ton of questions in hopes of him actually answering the few I had. I just did the web-based question form on their website and got the response about a week later. I guess someone else could try asking him the same way about the late hops, though he might be onto us now.

One thing I just read over on beeradvocate is that someone spoke to John's wife at a party and she said they use hop extract and no crystal. If the grist is only pearl and sugar, it's going to be like 4.6SRM, is that even close?
Good call on not getting too crazy with questions, quick answers aren't time consuming, busy people tend not to bother with long answers.

I saw a post about "no crystal" also. He apparently, like Vinny from RR, doesn't like using crystal at all. I might give it couple days and send a "what hops give your Heady Topper such a wonderful flavor....Best beer I ever had" type question. Flattery tends to go a long way too
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:30 PM   #213
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Good call on not getting too crazy with questions, quick answers aren't time consuming, busy people tend not to bother with long answers.

I saw a post about "no crystal" also. He apparently, like Vinny from RR, doesn't like using crystal at all. I might give it couple days and send a "what hops give your Heady Topper such a wonderful flavor....Best beer I ever had" type question. Flattery tends to go a long way too
Yeah, my question was full of praise and he noted that a few times in his full response. I am debating replying to the email, but not sure. It looks like the webform gets sent to some employee who then decides to forward it to his personal email or not. I don't think we're going to get the exact recipe, but we're a lot closer today than we were last week. I wonder about the use of Nugget, Amarillo, Moteuka, and Riwaka. Other than that, I feel confident we can figure out the hop schedule.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:30 PM   #214
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He was trying to throw you off the trail

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Old 11-26-2012, 07:37 PM   #215
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I wonder how the bitterness from hop extract hits the palate compared to boiled hops. FWH makes a huge difference, for example. I made massive IPA recently that had a calculated 200 IBU, but it was all FWH and late additions. It was definitely bitter but the bitterness rolled up and off the palate in a way that didn't make it seem all too bitter. I wonder how the extract works as far as this.
That's a good point. I wonder if a FWH done with the bittering hop would help to mellow the bittering a little. I know I've done this with my Zombie dust clone from Skeezer and it stops the Citra from throwing off flavors in the 60 min boil.
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He was trying to throw you off the trail
Been making it since before Citra, so it hasn't always had it.

LLH...that pic made me laugh like hell though
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Want to get my hop schedule out of Beersmith so I can read it and work on it: I just did this to get the IBUs, haven't checked it out for optimal hopping yet.

1.5oz Magnum @60
0.5oz Chinook @5
0.5oz Simcoe @5
0.25oz Amarillo @5
0.5oz Columbus @2
0.5oz Centennial @2

Whirlpool-

1oz each of Centennial, Simcoe, Columbus, Cascade

Dryhop-

0.25 oz of Nugget
1 oz of Simcoe
1 oz of Columbus
1 oz of Centennial
0.5 oz of Moteuka
0.25 oz of Amarillo

Don't kill me, just getting it out there so we can work on it.

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I know it's been said he uses 7 (I think) hops. Was just thinking how funny it would be if the only hop was FF 7C's.....

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Wonder who his hop supplier is. We could get a mole in the organization to feed us some recent hop orders to the Alchemist brewery...
I like how you think.
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:03 AM   #220
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Well, I tried not to ask a ton of questions in hopes of him actually answering the few I had. I just did the web-based question form on their website and got the response about a week later. I guess someone else could try asking him the same way about the late hops, though he might be onto us now.

One thing I just read over on beeradvocate is that someone spoke to John's wife at a party and she said they use hop extract and no crystal. If the grist is only pearl and sugar, it's going to be like 4.6SRM, is that even close?
Heady has a lot of body for such a dry, low FG IPA. I would guess he doesn't need to add sugar, given that Conan gets ~82% attenuation. He probably mashes low, around 148/9. I'm still thinking there's a bit of wheat in the grain bill to add to that creaminess without using Crystal.

If HT does use a New Zealand hop like Riwaka, he'd be sort of a pioneer with that too, wouldn't he? Maybe I just didn't have my ear to the ground but it doesn't seem like those hops were being used by NA brewers until very recently.
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