I have been loving Founders lately also. The Frangelic Mountain Brown was one of the best beers I've had lately. It's a shame that I didn't drink Founders for a long time. When they were still a relatively new brewery(around 1998), I tried a few of their beers and HATED them. Can't remember which ones, but some would be OK and some would be DMS or diacetyl galore( I did not know what DMS or diacetyl were at the time, I just knew the beer was no good. Now that I brew, I know what it was. The awfulness of those beers really stuck with me). I wrote off Founders for good. It wasn't until years later when I got involved with a girl from Grand Rapids (now my wife) who insisted I go to their bar. I fell in love with Founders that night. Every beer I tried was outstanding. Since then, Founders is one of my regular purchases when my pipeline is running low. There must have just been some QC issues when they started out. Or maybe it was their old facility - by the time I went there they had moved to the new location. Sorry for the long-winded reply, but I think my story has a good message : never write off a new brewery when some of their initial offerings suffer from QC issues. It is tough when you're starting out, it takes a while to get everything consistently right. I missed out on years of good beer because of my initial judgement of them.