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Old 06-21-2014, 01:17 PM   #11
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Yes, that is what I thought.

I find that Brewer's Friend and Bru'nwater always "match" but the EZ water just doesn't even come close for me. Weird that we are having totally opposite experiences, but I guess that is good to know!
I am now leaning towards thinking I'm doing something wrong with Bru'n Water.
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Old 06-21-2014, 01:38 PM   #12
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I am now leaning towards thinking I'm doing something wrong with Bru'n Water.
There is a learning curve with it, that's for sure, but the spreadsheet entry itself is fairly straightforward so probably not.

See where Brewer's Friend comes in, using the same information. That would be interesting!
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There is a learning curve with it, that's for sure, but the spreadsheet entry itself is fairly straightforward so probably not.



See where Brewer's Friend comes in, using the same information. That would be interesting!

I know. And I am very Excel savvy, so can at least see where the info is coming from to arrive at the outputs.
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Either can work well -- it mainly depends on how close your particular malts (esp. the base malt) resembles the malt they used to calibrate the equations. There is no "correct" pH for a malt, so they had to assume some baseline values. Problem is that can vary.

Best thing you can do is run your own test with distilled water and your favorite malts. For example, I like to use Weyermann floor-malted pilsner which Weyermann says has a pH of 5.9, although I've measured more like 5.8. But either software assumes something like 5.7 so both are significantly wrong for that malt. So you can enter your own data to improve them.

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I've been happy with BNW. It definitely had a learning curve but not too steep. I use a pH meter and calibrate it before every batch. My mash has never deviated from the BNW prediction by more than 0.1. In fact, my measured pH is consistently 0.05 - 0.1 higher than BNW predicts. This may be as much an indication that my water chemistry may have changed since it was last tested. Either way, it's consistent so I just take it into account when I design a recipe.

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Brewers Friend has become my tinkering place for recipes, water additions and pH, etc. I've learned quite a bit from messing around there and reading the tutorials.

As a fellow noob, it's always good to find a place loaded with info that's easy to use... Just my .02.

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I started with EZ water, but switched to BNW a few years ago. The science behind it just made more sense to me at the time. I haven't revisited EZ since then, so I have no idea how it compares now.

That said, Bru'nwater does have a small learning curve, but you should be able to get the hang of it with a few hours of play time.

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