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Old 09-30-2012, 10:20 PM   #11
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Deschutes' Red Chair again named 'World's Best Beer'

While I don't know about "world's best beer", it's damned tasty, and I'm looking forward to seeing it back on tap ASAP.
Yes it is and it inspired me to make a "golden red" Northwest Pale Ale using a wet hop technique with my homegrown Willamette/Nugget blend. Highly recommended.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:47 PM   #12
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Pardon the lack of brains.. but, what is CYBI and is the clone recipe avail??

Oh yes.. the bell just rung.. Can You Brew It. Doh.
yup! did you ever brew that 3 gallon batch yet?
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:27 AM   #13
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In my opinion every one of the Deschutes beers is excellent. Get whatever you can and I believe you will enjoy it. I have found them on sale at Albertsons supermarkets in Coeur d'Alene, so you might check the store where you are.
All things Deschutes is fantastic. Mirror Pond Pale Ale has yet to be mentioned... soooo good
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:47 AM   #14
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Deschutes' Red Chair again named 'World's Best Beer'

While I don't know about "world's best beer", it's damned tasty, and I'm looking forward to seeing it back on tap ASAP.
That competition seems a little fishy. Go to their "regional results - the Americas" and you'll see that Deschutes won the award for 7 categories. Unibroue won in 5 categories. Sam Adams in 10.
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Y'all are right on with the Obsidian Stout. That was a fantastic beer. Brought a bottle of Black Butte XXIV back with me that I think I'll hold on to for a little while. Had Mirror Pond while I was out that way. That one was great too.

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I had Black Butte Porter. I was not impressed, nothing against the beer, just it had been hyped up to me by the staff and by a buddy and it didn't live up to the hype. Favorite Deschutes beer I had last summer was Chainbreaker IPA. I can say Mirror Pond was a close second. Normally I like porters and stouts to which is interesting.

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That Red Chair is delicious and I don't even like hoppy beers.

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If I read correctly, the CYBI clone recipe is for the Obsidian Stout and not the Red Chair. Last spring (when I still lived in Arizona and could get Red Chair (wish I could find it in Michigan)), I did some searching for a Red Chair clone recipe. I found a few attempts, but didn't see much follow up in terms of how close of a clone the recipes turned out to be.

I did frankenstein together a version of a recipe, but haven't gotten around to trying it out yet. Mostly because I'm not sure how good of a clone it would be.

Has anybody made an attempt to clone Red Chair they deemed successful?

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I must say I dislike the idea of "clone" because I would rather use the beer as an inspiration to make something that is not commercially available. I did make a beer "inspired" by Red Chair though. The basic idea is a Northwest Pale Ale that is amber with a hint of red. It has an aromatic citrus/tropical fruit burst of hop aroma and flavor, but is not a full-on hop assault like the overwrought IPAs coming out of Washington and Oregon. It uses 11 malts in total, with the red coming from melanoidin and 120L. It has medium body. "Edges out, layers in" I take to be a skiing metaphor referring to nice turns, and a smooth ride. That suggests fruity with a malty finish. This gave me the idea of using an American crystal blend, a touch of chocolate wheat, a dab of HB black, some cara aroma, melanoidin and carapils. For fun I put in some Belgian dark aroma sugar and Belgian dark Candi to bring up the OG.


I wet hopped with fresh Willamette, Fuggle and will dry hop with Simcoe and Citra. I used SD Superyeast but I am sure any nicely attenuative yeast will do.

Go for it.

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I must say I dislike the idea of "clone" because I would rather use the beer as an inspiration to make something that is not commercially available. I did make a beer "inspired" by Red Chair though. The basic idea is a Northwest Pale Ale that is amber with a hint of red. It has an aromatic citrus/tropical fruit burst of hop aroma and flavor, but is not a full-on hop assault like the overwrought IPAs coming out of Washington and Oregon. It uses 11 malts in total, with the red coming from melanoidin and 120L. It has medium body. "Edges out, layers in" I take to be a skiing metaphor referring to nice turns, and a smooth ride. That suggests fruity with a malty finish. This gave me the idea of using an American crystal blend, a touch of chocolate wheat, a dab of HB black, some cara aroma, melanoidin and carapils. For fun I put in some Belgian dark aroma sugar and Belgian dark Candi to bring up the OG.


I wet hopped with fresh Willamette, Fuggle and will dry hop with Simcoe and Citra. I used SD Superyeast but I am sure any nicely attenuative yeast will do.

Go for it.
I like the idea of original beer better, but a clone is good to see if you can do it. If you can't it might point out some of your strengths and weaknesses to work on or perfect.
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