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Old 11-30-2008, 06:16 PM   #1
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I am an experienced all grain brewer that has taken a few years off. I was given 2 packs of (old) flat tire Wyeast from my lhbs. I figured I could get it up to speed with a few lme starters. Seemed to work. The yeast is working fine, but I am getting some off cider smell. I am in temperature controlled first stage. Have I just been away too long and this is normal, or is the old yeast not giving the right character to the beer? Thanks

Also I have another batch of Sierra knock off that I am running three batches through the same yeast one after another. The yeast is working fast. I am getting down to proper FG in about 3-4 days. Should I cool the stuff down below recommended yeast temp or just move on to second stage when I hit my FG? I second stage in kegs.

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What temperature are you fermenting at and how long in the primary? If It's too high temp then that is not good. Old ingredients is another possible cause.

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What temperature are you fermenting at and how long in the primary? If It's too high temp then that is not good. Old ingredients is another possible cause.
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Yes that is too high a temperature because of exothermic heat from fermentation can raise the temperature from 5 to 8 degrees above the ambient air around the fermenter. You will find that if you keep the actual fermenting liquid at 65F to 66F that your ale will taste a lot better. A water bath and using ice will get this done for ales but lagers need a refrigerator and a temperature controller to effectively keep the temperature constant at 50F to 53F for lagers.

Did you taste the liquid from the starter before pitching the yeast? If a starter get's a slight infection (which can usually be tasted) then it can ruin a perfectly good brew.

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That is the liquid temperature. I keep a sticky thermometer strip on each of the first stage carboys and regulate the refredgerator temp using those with a secondary brew regulator. Also the starter was boiled lme for 10 min. in a glass chemistry vase and immediately airlocked. Not much chance for infection. I will lower the temp to the low end ale temp though. That's probably it.

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Yes that is too high a temperature because of exothermic heat from fermentation can raise the temperature from 5 to 8 degrees above the ambient air around the fermenter. You will find that if you keep the actual fermenting liquid at 65F to 66F that your ale will taste a lot better. A water bath and using ice will get this done for ales but lagers need a refrigerator and a temperature controller to effectively keep the temperature constant at 50F to 53F for lagers.

Did you taste the liquid from the starter before pitching the yeast? If a starter get's a slight infection (which can usually be tasted) then it can ruin a perfectly good brew.
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