from what Ive been able to read in the article from that style it just sounds like a Schwartzbeer with american hops bittered to IPA levels and fermented with American Ale yeast... what am I missing?
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From what I read, a porter is just like a kolsh except that it's bittered with english hops, has some dark grains in it and uses a different yeast. What am I missing?
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I think it needs it's own category. I've been obsessed with Black IPAs since Sublimely Self Righteous, and really loved my own brew of this beer. I'm thinking of taking this experiment and running with it. My IIPA that won 2nd place at Hogtown, I'm going to try it with extra dry hop and with Belgian yeast strand, then I'm going to try it with 5% of Carafa III added to it, then, if they both turn out well, I'll combine the ideas and make a CDA of my IIPA recipe with Belgian yeast. I can't wait to see what I can do with it!
Take a trip to Portland and go pub crawling. If you hit up Horse Brass Pub and The Green Dragon you'll probably be able to try a half dozen different examples of Cascadian Dark Ale.
There's a surprising diversity within the style. Some put more accent on the hops, some put more accent on the roasted malts (divested of their astringency by using de-husked malt and/or using cold steeping.)
The combination of roasted malts and citrus hops brings something new to the table. There's the sense of rosemary, mint, and other strange and pleasant tastes I've never experienced in any other style.
I brewed my own CDA before I ever got my hands on a commercial version to try, and it's all because of this message board!
I managed to have one (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/22951/55019/?ba=abecall98) first before making my own (cold-steeped Carafa and lots of late Cascade--a real winner), but I'm still not sure about defining a new, exclusive style for the CDA/IBA/BIPA. A catch-all Specialty IPA category still seems like the best bet. Existing IPA style guidelines explicitly preclude the use of Oak, but Ballantine was "oaking" theirs in the '50s. Dogfish's India Brown doesn't use Pacific Northwest hops (not that they really brew to styles, anyway). And this new category still wouldn't do anything about all the RyePAs out there.
I brewed one of the clones today. I think its gonna be good. They say you should close your eyes and be able to smell and taste a IPA without smelling or tasting the tannins from the dark roast grain. Mild to no Caramel flavor, hint of chocolate, hint of coffee. ALL NORTHWEST HOPS ONLY i.e. Cascade, Simcoe, Amarillo, Warrior... etc. etc. etc.
OG 1.056-1.075
FG 1.012-1.018
IBU 50-70
SRM 30+
They say you should close your eyes and be able to smell and taste a IPA without smelling or tasting the tannins from the dark roast grain.
I don't agree with that at all. What's the point if it's just color? What makes the style special is the mix of dark roasted grains and northwest hops. If you just have one but not the other, it's nothing special.
I don't agree with that at all. What's the point if it's just color? What makes the style special is the mix of dark roasted grains and northwest hops. If you just have one but not the other, it's nothing special.
Agreed - if you can't taste the astringency of the roasted barley in a dry stout, it's not really a dry stout. If you can't taste the fruitiness in an ESB, it's not really an ESB. Use your SAT skills here - if you can't taste the roast/NW hops in an IBA/CDA/BIPA, it's not really an IBA/CDA/BIPA.
Don't shoot the messenger. I am just quoting Brew Your Own Magazine July-August 2010 page 27-28 under "Comments" on what a panel of professional brewers agreed on. I agree that why put grain in it that would not give it profile. It also says in the next paragraph... "Charlie Papazian had completed the style update for 2010 and included this new style. The name "Cascadian" was deleted as it was felt non-Northwestern brewers may be turned off to the style if it hinted of regional exclusivity. The name is American Style India Black Ale."
"Charlie Papazian had completed the style update for 2010 and included this new style. The name "Cascadian" was deleted as it was felt non-Northwestern brewers may be turned off to the style if it hinted of regional exclusivity. The name is American Style India Black Ale."
I don't quite get why people would be turned off to it... I guarantee 95% of people have no idea what/where Cascadia is. I hadn't heard of it until I first had a CDA. I don't think anyone has a problem with California Common or Dusseldorf Altbier.
Why not just American Black Ale? Not as much charm as Cascadian Dark Ale, but better than American-style IBA. Don't confuse it with that Italian-style India Black Ale or the Peruvian-Style India Black Ale.
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