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Old 10-02-2012, 06:59 PM   #61
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In the California Goldrush of the mid 1800's, most people didn't get rich by striking gold ... they got rich by selling shovels and hot meals and clothes and doing laundry and opening saloons and brothels and boarding houses.

Not sure where the sweet spot is in the beer industry - particularly for the small business, but it's probably not in producing the beer itself ... but in all the other stuff in the value-chain and services and in retail.

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Old 10-02-2012, 07:07 PM   #62
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In the California Goldrush of the mid 1800's, most people didn't get rich by striking gold ... they got rich by selling shovels and hot meals and clothes and doing laundry and opening saloons and brothels and boarding houses.

Not sure where the sweet spot is in the beer industry, but it's probably not in producing the beer ... but in all the other stuff in the value-chain or in retail.
Maybe you can be two parts of th chain. I always thought the best business is to start a pub that brews its own beer, it must be a lot of work but the few I know here are always full. The major issue is the initial investment.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:18 PM   #63
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I brew for a homebrewer who went pro. I completely volunteer my time and will occasionally take home a growler or two of the product as compensation. Trust me when I say that the brewing is the easy (and fun) part. The legal and business side of it is torturous from what I've seen. My dream is that we one day hit it big and I can quit my day job and just brew until my hearts content

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Old 10-02-2012, 10:18 PM   #64
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Well i just read through this thread. And while I know this is the extremely basic talk of the extremely over asked question. I still found it very informative, if nothing else it helped me day dream a little during a slow day at work. So thanks for the info daksin, zamial, and good luck with your endeavor rexbanner.

Also, i like the idea of having shirts/ mugs at a free tasting party for friends.

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Old 10-02-2012, 10:44 PM   #65
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What are the laws governing cooperatives (generally) where no money changes hands? People get together, some bring malt, some bring talent, some do renovations, some record the contributions and the benefits. Is financial profit what determines legality? There would be none but everybody profits without using money.

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What are the laws governing cooperatives (generally) where no money changes hands? People get together, some bring malt, some bring talent, some do renovations, some record the contributions and the benefits. Is financial profit what determines legality? There would be none but everybody profits without using money.
I don't know the particular laws, they vary from state to state. Here in CA there is a quasi co-op http://brewlabsf.com/ It has been operating for a few years now. I DO believe money changes hands in this case....for those non-brewers but I could be wrong.
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Here in CA there is a quasi co-op http://brewlabsf.com/
That looks ideal. The photograph says a lot about its success. In this area the scope would have to be broadened to include non-brewers who offer other services on and off the premises (home and car repairs come to mind) and probably make a few changes to adhere to the law. I guess in small areas it could be a bartering beer-based cooperative. Only benefiting those who contribute by not using the corporate-government currency or paying all those additional sales taxes would certainly be a feature. Coordinating across jurisdictions would make them even more interesting. A homebrew-based tax and independence revolt - the beer party.
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That looks ideal. The photograph says a lot about its success. In this area the scope would have to be broadened to include non-brewers who offer other services on and off the premises (home and car repairs come to mind) and probably make a few changes to adhere to the law. I guess in small areas it could be a bartering beer-based cooperative. Only benefiting those who contribute by not using the corporate-government currency or paying all those additional sales taxes would certainly be a feature. Coordinating across jurisdictions would make them even more interesting. A homebrew-based tax and independence revolt - the beer party.
It would require extensive research into the laws of the state and locality, but generally a barter system like you describe is considered to be selling. There's a lot of "but what if?" situations thrown around and it almost always boils down to the fact that it can be construed as selling alcohol and should be regulated as such.
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It would require extensive research into the laws of the state and locality, but generally a barter system like you describe is considered to be selling. There's a lot of "but what if?" situations thrown around and it almost always boils down to the fact that it can be construed as selling alcohol and should be regulated as such.
Brew Lab seems to have figured out something in CA that allows it to exist and prosper. As they list the available brews they may be a good case study for one state and may well be an indicator for others. That's a start the OP might consider.
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Brew Lab seems to have figured out something in CA that allows it to exist and prosper. As they list the available brews they may be a good case study for one state and may well be an indicator for others. That's a start the OP might consider.
I don't see any mention on that site of bartering. They say they hold tasting events, which is legal under CA law for homebrew. Again, it depends on the laws of the individual state.
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