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ReverseApacheMaster · 09-19-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Phunhog

That's true. I am starting to think about this as more of an "informal" deal...not so much as a business. Just glad to know I wouldn't be breaking any laws.

Not any alcohol-related laws...

amandabab · 09-19-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Phunhog

That's true. I am starting to think about this as more of an "informal" deal...not so much as a business. Just glad to know I wouldn't be breaking any laws.

see, this is where its gets dicey. A licensed BOP retail establishment and an "informal" garage deal are 2 different things.

**ktblunden** · 09-19-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Phunhog

That's true. I am starting to think about this as more of an "informal" deal...not so much as a business. Just glad to know I wouldn't be breaking any laws.

The locals can still bust you for operating a business in a residence without a business license or proper zoning. The chances of that happening depend primarily on whether or not your neighbors start complaining about it.

Phunhog · 09-19-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ktblunden

The locals can still bust you for operating a business in a residence without a business license or proper zoning. The chances of that happening depend primarily on whether or not your neighbors start complaining about it.

True...but my neighbors are all well aware of my brewing habits. In fact most of them come to our beer tasting parties. I am really just looking to cover myself. As I said people approach me all the time to brew for them. This gives me a way to make it worth while for myself while still following the ABC and TTB regulations regarding homebrewing.

**ktblunden** · 09-19-2012, 07:19 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't expect you'll run into problems with it, just thought I'd throw that out there. Code enforcement can be a lot more proactive when neighbors start complaining.

ludomonster · 09-19-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sloose

BOP is expensive though compared to homebrewing. A 15 gal extract batch runs about $200, not including bottles.

$200 for 15 gallons comes to $67 for 5 gallons. If you consider the cost of equipment, it's not terribly expensive. I brew partial mash and most of my beers are $25-40 for 5 gallons. I know some brewers can go as low as $10/batch, but they aren't including the cost of equipment. The equipment not only includes one-time purchases that can distributed over the cost of subsequent batches, but also wear and tear items such as tubing, gaskets, batteries, hydrometers, finings, cleaners, and sanitizers.

If the brew on premises facilities include cleaning labor, that certainly makes considering it worthwhile.

**sloose** · 09-19-2012, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ludomonster

$200 for 15 gallons comes to $67 for 5 gallons. If you consider the cost of equipment, it's not terribly expensive. I brew partial mash and most of my beers are $25-40 for 5 gallons. I know some brewers can go as low as $10/batch, but they aren't including the cost of equipment. The equipment not only includes one-time purchases that can distributed over the cost of subsequent batches, but also wear and tear items such as tubing, gaskets, batteries, hydrometers, finings, cleaners, and sanitizers.

If the brew on premises facilities include cleaning labor, that certainly makes considering it worthwhile.

Indeed....it's $200 and up of course, and it includes materials, fermentation, filtering, carbonation, and bottling equipment. You provide / buy bottles (which they are very fair at, $8 /case for new bombers). They also clean the kettles and fermenters. The kettles they use are really pro, copper steam heated kettles, real pretty stuff. They ferment into 15gal plastic casks, and keg it and chill it for bottling. They buy bulk extracts in barrels so they save there I'm sure. Www.brewapp.com is their site. I learned quite a bit there, and the beer is excellent.

**sloose** · 09-19-2012, 11:39 PM

Ludomonster your beer names in your sig kickass...I giggled.

Phunhog · 09-20-2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ludomonster

$200 for 15 gallons comes to $67 for 5 gallons. If you consider the cost of equipment, it's not terribly expensive. I brew partial mash and most of my beers are $25-40 for 5 gallons. I know some brewers can go as low as $10/batch, but they aren't including the cost of equipment. The equipment not only includes one-time purchases that can distributed over the cost of subsequent batches, but also wear and tear items such as tubing, gaskets, batteries, hydrometers, finings, cleaners, and sanitizers.

If the brew on premises facilities include cleaning labor, that certainly makes considering it worthwhile.

Thanks for the pricing! My plan was to offer 10 gallons of all grain homebrew, kegged, with a jockey box for around 100 bucks...maybe a little bit more. It all depends on how much "sweat equity" they are willing to put into it. Obviously with a BOP the customer has to do some of the brewing work.

cwdrake · 09-20-2012, 12:32 AM

I could be wrong here, but all of the BOP places I know of require the customer to do ALL of the brewing work, maybe with the exception of cleaning/sanitation. I think once the BOP starts working with ANY of the brewing process, they legally are considered a brewery and have to follow all laws as such including licensing regulations, distribution and sales laws, as well as any beer/alcohol taxes.