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Old 12-10-2010, 01:34 PM   #981
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Yeah but @ $10.00 a bottle I think Sam said it was something like $500,000 lost? I guess that's the risk you run when brewing a lot of high gravity ales such as the 120. Still, from a business standpoint, there had to be a way to save their most expensive beer from being a complete wash.
Well, Sam suggested the blending approach, but Floris replied that he couldn't guarantee that would work. Considering they'd have to develop and brew a completely new beer to blend it with, those tanks of 120 would continue to consume bright tank space (as well as the blending beer, of course), blocking the pipeline for the other beers. Rather than disrupting their production schedule for months into the future on an uncertain proposition, they decided to cut their losses. I can understand that.
Personally, I would have added amylase or, if all else failed, alpha galactosidase; but that would require pasteurization to denature the enzymes at the right point, and I don't know if DFH is equipped to do that. Another approach could have been watering it down with gypsum-rich water and some hop extract to turn it into an effervescent regular-strength IPA, but again, that would require them using three times as many bright tanks to store the blend, a luxury that they don't have.
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Old 12-10-2010, 01:55 PM   #982
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Best one yet in my opinion...
Would have to agree. Didn't gloss over the fact that even the best can ruin a batch every now and then. I will say that I was taken aback at the projected loss - $500K. No wonder every is happy at that brewery with the profit sharing and all.

I guess that I am puzzled by the fact that if you had what the brewmasters were deeming "good beer" that you would still dump it. Why not bottle or keg it and make it available to employees? I am assuming that it made more sense from a financial standpoint to free up the tanks for another beer but I was cringing when I saw them dumping so much product (they obviously were too). Montanaandy
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Old 12-10-2010, 02:11 PM   #983
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I think that $500K number comes from using the retail price of $9.99/bottle. Obviously the batch did not cost the brewery that much at that point in production and distribution cycle. Still, a fair chunk of change for a small business.
Not 100% sure that comes from the retail price. They said they dumped 400 bbl (12400 gallons), roughly 132,266 12 ounce bottles at roughly $8.50 a bottle. (Guestimate based on an average cost of a bottle retail, - a 15% markup) Brings the loss up to just over $1,000,000. If you look at a clone recipe and do the math on a 10 gal recipe vs a 12400 gal you will see that it costs roughly 35k in grain alone, after other factors including water hops labor utilities I'm willing to bet its close to 500k. Seeing as how its such a time intensive beer (I know I've tried to clone it.) I'm sure the labor is outrageous.
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Old 12-10-2010, 02:14 PM   #984
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And just think, 120 was going for $30 a bottle on ebay before that episode aired...
wow my homebrew crushes DFH beers im gonna ebay it for 120 a bottle. lol
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Old 12-10-2010, 02:19 PM   #985
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Easily 500 grand. Consider that's two fermenters offline for 3 months with nothing to show for it. I wonder what the waste water bill was for dumping that

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Old 12-10-2010, 02:43 PM   #986
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wow my homebrew crushes DFH beers im gonna ebay it for 120 a bottle. lol
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Well, Sam suggested the blending approach, but Floris replied that he couldn't guarantee that would work. Considering they'd have to develop and brew a completely new beer to blend it with, those tanks of 120 would continue to consume bright tank space (as well as the blending beer, of course), blocking the pipeline for the other beers. Rather than disrupting their production schedule for months into the future on an uncertain proposition, they decided to cut their losses. I can understand that.
Personally, I would have added amylase or, if all else failed, alpha galactosidase; but that would require pasteurization to denature the enzymes at the right point, and I don't know if DFH is equipped to do that. Another approach could have been watering it down with gypsum-rich water and some hop extract to turn it into an effervescent regular-strength IPA, but again, that would require them using three times as many bright tanks to store the blend, a luxury that they don't have.
You could have done any of these or left it alone to produce a drinkable beer but it wouldn't have been the 120 or 90 min IPA that they produce. They need to produce the same beer each time for their customers.

Frankly I would have added oak extract, kegged it and servered it at the brew pub as experimental oaked 120 ipa for cost.
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How about when the one guy said he was going to stash his porn in the hipster tree house? I laughed for 10 minutes and missed the rest of the show because of it.

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Frankly I would have added oak extract, kegged it and servered it at the brew pub as experimental oaked 120 ipa for cost.
this is what I'm wondering. they have a brewpub that they test beers on. Admit the mistake, keg it, maybe add something like this quote says, and sell it at $1 or $2 on tap at the eatery? who would complain? they'd make much of that back.
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I've really enjoyed the show and agree that last night's episode was a real good one. I'm a surfer, so the whole Grain to glass part of the show was cool; a neat way to join a custom surfboard outfit with a brew. The whole tree house thing was neat, although it was out of chronological order because it was shown in previous episodes. I thought it was funny at the end when they were testing the new batch in the tree house with the surfers, Sam was doing the usual shakedown of a beer that a craft beer lover would do, the other guys were trying to gulp the brew down like they were on spring break or something. Seeing all the 120 go down the drain was difficult. They did discuss a lot more details of brewing than in past shows.

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