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Old 01-24-2010, 03:12 PM   #1
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Default Blended Beer. Cheating or not?

My club had a discussion on a topic that is intriguing and I wanted to get a concensus of people in this forum.

The topic was Blending for purposes of making a killer brew that win's awards in BJCP contests.

Do you think that blended beers should be allowed to win categories other than blended beer or do you feel that blending is cheating?

Blending your homebrew with intentions to improve a batch of beer is not a bad thing and I am sure is done somewhat frequently. However, blending to enter contests and winning is another topic. If a brewer brews a beer to style and wins, is s/he a better brewer than someone who missed the mark, blends with another beer, and wins the category with the blended creation?

Who do you consider to be the better brewer?

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Old 01-24-2010, 03:17 PM   #2
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Which beer is better?

You have to know that the best brewer does not always win.

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Not cheating but it does seem to put the purists at a potential disadvantage. One of my buddies is a Newcastle fan, and from what I've read it's basically a blend, but I'm sure there are people who can make an equally good brew, in both style guidelines and overall taste, without blending. I've never blended anything, but I think it would be useful for nailing down what characteristics you want but then it could be modified in the next batch.
With competitions being so subjective to the judges interpretation, I don't know why people would go to the extra effort. Plus then it's like your single batch isn't standing on it's on merit. Seems like a hollow victory.

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Which beer is better?

You have to know that the best brewer does not always win.
Good point.

I assume you voted no on the pole, why?

Just trying to gather information from others' opines.
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The point of making beer at all is to make something that tastes as amazing as possible. How you get there is of no consequence. You could argue that entering comps with prehopped extract kits is cheating because you didn't have to mash accurately or worry about IBU. I don't think it's true, but it's the same type of argument.

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The point of making beer at all is to make something that tastes as amazing as possible. How you get there is of no consequence. You could argue that entering comps with prehopped extract kits is cheating because you didn't have to mash accurately or worry about IBU. I don't think it's true, but it's the same type of argument.
I disagree. The purpose of making beer to drink is to make something that tastes great to you. On the other hand, brewing a beer for competition is a test of the brewer's ability to make a beer that matches pre-defined criteria. Before he begins to brew, he (she) has a specific taste, color, ABV in mind, and uses skill to match those criteria.

Blending beer to reach a BJCP guideline is like shanking your tee shot onto another fairway and deciding to play that hole instead.
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Blending beer to reach a BJCP guideline is like shanking your tee shot onto another fairway and deciding to play that hole instead.
Commercial breweries blend ALL THE TIME to hit their marks. Some wineries don't actually make any wine at all, and just create blends others' wines to make their own creation, which BTW win awards in prestigious wine competitions. Are they cheating?
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Commercial breweries blend ALL THE TIME to hit their marks. Are they cheating?

They're not necessarily entering a lot of competitions though, they're blending to make sure they ship a uniform product every week.
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They're not necessarily entering a lot of competitions though, they're blending to make sure they ship a uniform product every week.
So what? They are targeting a specific style of beer. Hell, they are targeting a specific beer! How is that different from targeting a certain style for BJCP? And you better believe those beers get entered in competitions.
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So, lets say you and I are both trying to brew an APA and Yours turns out exactly the way you want and mine turns out like an IPA. I realize I goofed, and I pour some maltier beer in to mellow it out after the fact. We're both equally skilled brewers? Even though you made the style you originally intended and I didnt?

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