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Old 12-17-2009, 07:41 PM   #1
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Default Black IPA....oxymoron?

Black...Pale Ale.

Black, but pale.

Sorry! It just occured to me. Not that I really care.

No one would know what an IBA was, it saves time to say black IPA....I guess.




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Old 12-17-2009, 08:02 PM   #2
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No one would know what an IBA was, it saves time to say black IPA....I guess.

Huh?



And if you really didn't care, you wouldn't have posted anything. So yes, you did care.
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:04 PM   #3
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We in the PNW like to claim this one, thus the term Cascadian Dark Ale.

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Old 12-18-2009, 01:40 PM   #4
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And if you really didn't care, you wouldn't have posted anything. So yes, you did care.
So IBA would be ambiguous. And thanks for knowing me better than I do.

By "I don't care" I meant that I was not calling anyone out for using the term(s) Black IPA (or brown for that matter), just thought it was kinda funny, thought others might too.

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We in the PNW like to claim this one, thus the term Cascadian Dark Ale.
I like it!
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:50 PM   #5
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We in the PNW like to claim this one, thus the term Cascadian Dark Ale.
I also like the term Cascadian Dark Ale, but I'd like for it to catch on as "CDA."

People only know what IPA means because over time it became accepted. Think of how many folks drank Red Hook ESB for years and had no idea what the abbreviation stood for.

Abe at Hopworks Brewery in Portland explains Cascadian Dark Ale:
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:59 PM   #6
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I don't like "India Brown Ale" as I think an American Brown Ale should be distinct from an English Brown Ale by being bigger and heavily hopped. I would like to see the BJCP guidelines reflect this. The Commercial Calibration column in Zymurgy called Ellie's brown a great example of American Brown but the guideline lists it as a classic example of Northern English Brown, too much overlap.

As for the Black IPAs...

I think these fall into two categories. IPAs that are colored without adding any roasted or other flavors associated with dark beers. This to me is a Black IPA but also uninteresting and not worth brewing.

A beer that is IPA strength (hops and gravity) but dark (darker than a brown ale) and roasty is its own thing and deserves its own name. Cascadian Dark Ale works for me.

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Old 12-18-2009, 02:04 PM   #7
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whatever you call it, i call it delicious.

i just made my first one last month, and my keg is almost empty. it's been a hit at my bar. i called mine "blackjack guillitine".
nice and hoppy, and looks like a stout.

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We in the PNW like to claim this one, thus the term Cascadian Dark Ale.
Do you know when the first black IPA was made in the Pacific Northwest? It'd be interesting to get a timeline on the style.
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Do you know when the first black IPA was made in the Pacific Northwest? It'd be interesting to get a timeline on the style.
Rogue has been making Blackened Brutal Bitter (under several names) for 8-9 years. Thats the first I remember.
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:34 PM   #10
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I like the term CDA.
Is that how Victory's Yakima Twilight should be classified? I had one at a restaurant a couple weeks ago. It was fantastic but I wasn't sure of the style.

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