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Old 07-01-2009, 11:31 PM   #1
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For the American IPA category, if there is any variety of hops not American, does it go in a different category?

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Old 07-01-2009, 11:33 PM   #2
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I would not think so. If it tastes like an American IPA, then you are good to go. If it tastes more like an English IPA, the put it under that category.

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Old 07-01-2009, 11:35 PM   #3
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The key is to have, "citrusy, floral, perfume-like, resinous, piney, and/or fruity character".

So it may be OK to have some other hops, if you can achieve this character. Presumably you'd have to have some American hops.

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As an illustratrion, there isn't a judge out there that would be able to say..."you bittered with Hallertau and finished with [Insert AMerican Hop]."

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Old 07-01-2009, 11:39 PM   #5
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As an illustratrion, there isn't a judge out there that would be able to say..."you bittered with Hallertau and finished with [Insert AMerican Hop]."
Although they might try. Some of them pull some amazing notes out of their asses.
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Thanks. I've got all American hops except 1 oz, which do meet the description Ollllo mentioned. I just didn't want to win and then have my gold medal stripped for not following the rules

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Thanks. I've got all American hops except 1 oz, which do meet the description Ollllo mentioned. I just didn't want to win and then have my gold medal stripped for not following the rules
As long as it is along the guidelines and tastes good, you'll be fine. They can't tell you what to put in your beer.
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RDWHAHB. At least this is what the judges would tell you.

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Old 07-02-2009, 07:15 AM   #9
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As an illustratrion, there isn't a judge out there that would be able to say..."you bittered with Hallertau and finished with [Insert AMerican Hop]."
This is not exactly true. Some judges can spot some hops. Maybe not bittering hops, but aroma hops, yes. If you're using a mix of a buncha hops it might get muddy enough that they can't pick them out. But, for instance, I can pick out Columbus or EKG very easily. I've judged with a lot of judges in the past and we'd often pick out which hops were in the beer. It's not random guessing. Judges are brewers too. And if they've used a certain hop a lot in their own brews, they can certainly pick them out.

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Thanks. I've got all American hops except 1 oz, which do meet the description Ollllo mentioned. I just didn't want to win and then have my gold medal stripped for not following the rules
In my experience, medals aren't stripped. If you win, you win. They don't review your recipe afterward to see if it complies. But if the judges taste a ton of EKGs in the beer and it's entered in the American category, it won't win, it will have its score reduced. 1 oz is sure to be okay. But say you made a beer with a lot more of EKGs and that earthy character was shining through. Then it would get a reduced score and, assuming it was otherwise a great beer, the judges would write on the scoresheet something like "great beer, but should have been entered in the British category. Keep up the great work but refer to the style guidelines."

I've had this happen to me, and they were accurate.

BUT, I have *also* had judges write on a scoresheet for an IPA I entered using Crystal, Chinook and Columbus, "typical British aroma", which was a laugh.

So, it's not like they're all geniuses. Some of them are spot on, some of them are way off.

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I would not think so. If it tastes like an American IPA, then you are good to go. If it tastes more like an English IPA, the put it under that category.
Agreed.
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Actual recipes are not part of the judging process, just the final product. There are contests where the recipe is important, but not under BJCP. Widmer's Collaborator Project with the Oregon Brew Crew is an example. The recipe has to be brewable on their pilot system at a reasonable cost.

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