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Old 04-16-2014, 02:04 PM   #51
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Would a social club work? He could form a form club, charge dues, and have members only parties with free beer.

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Old 04-16-2014, 02:42 PM   #52
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^ he was told to start or join a homebrew club. There is still this push to get someone online to give him a way to get around the law basically. Or as he tells it, a push to get someone to tell him how to allow people to gather around in masses so they can try his great beer but do it in a way that will allow him to fund future brews.

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Old 04-16-2014, 05:40 PM   #53
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He shouldn't be doing or at least he shouldn't be advertising that he is doing it. However if/when the authorites do find out I seriously doubt anything will happen. Something like this is such a low priority. I was reading about homebrewing before it became legal. Guys like Papazian were openly homebrewing. In the book it talks about how they almost hoped that got busted because it would show how absolutely ridiculous some of the homebrewing laws were/are. Then they could get some media coverage and support for a law change. Something like that recently happened in CA. Homebrewers/homewinemakers had been hosting a charity festival for something like 30 years.......all the time it being illegal. Well someone at the ABC decided to press the issue and shut them down. The homebrewers went to their local politicians and got the law changed. I doubt it ever would have happened without the "bust".
I'm probably a bit of a Goody-two-shoes, but I really don't equate brewing beer in your home, drinking and sharing a little with friends, even though the law didn't allow it, with Brewing your own beer at home and then selling it.

I think the hoops you have to jump through are a little over bearing, but I don't like the idea that someone spends all the time and money it takes to open their brewery legally, only to find out that they aren't enforcing the laws against those who are selling homebrew out of their garage. There is a lot of blood, sweat and tears that go into opening a brewery. To get away with that on the cheap, seems to be as much of a crime as stealing to me.

I'm also an avid morel mushroom hunter. For years I was a member of a local mycological club who was working to get a lot of the local laws changed to open up more public land for mushroom gathering. Then you find out that guys are our gathering hundreds of pounds on these lands to only turn around and sell them for profit. It just kind of a slap to the face of the work that was done to open up the "hobby" to those who might enjoy it for themselves.

I know I'm a goody, and probably come across as an asshole pushing the govt. agenda, but I don't mean it that way. It just really seems like selling homebrew goes against why the hobby was originally legalized and opened up to the hobbyists. If you brew so much that you need to recoup your costs, then just don't brew that much. If you want to turn it into a profession, then do it the right way.
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I believe most everyone has said it clear enough to you. And everyone was trying to do it civily. It seems we need to be much more direct.

Stop messing with our hobby. Stop trying to skip around the laws the 99% of us abide by. Stop calling them keg release parties your not a professional brewery. Stop using FB to promote your illegal brewery. If you want to have keggers then go buy them legally, support your local brewery and have everyone chip in. Go read the Federal and your Maryland laws regarding homebrewing. Abide by them. Join or create a club and become a responsible homebrewer. But for the love of (whatever you want).... Stop messing with our hobby!

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Old 05-14-2014, 02:21 PM   #55
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Well, to all, I apologize for selling my beer at my home "keg releases" (although I don't know why the term keg release applies only to "professional brewers since, to my knowledge, the phrase isn't copyrighted). You all have made it clear, it's basically impossible to make ANY profit off homebrew unless you go balls out, which also, unfortunately, means empty wallets. So, please accept my apology since it seems like most of you would rather get pissed than present helpful info to brewers like me. It's my hobby just like it's all of yours, so please don't consider it any different now that we know the legality of the issue.

To those who actually provided us with some helpful pages and let us know politely that we cannot do what we said legally, thanks a million. We're not trying to skip around laws, we just didn't know them. We would like to do this on a bigger scale someday just like anyone else. We love beer and that's why we're all here. So, sorry for unknowingly committing an egregious error. We just care that we can make awesome beers and let people try them.

Thanks again for all the help....and all the negative comments (we'll just call it constructive criticism)

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Well, to all, I apologize for selling my beer at my home "keg releases" (although I don't know why the term keg release applies only to "professional brewers since, to my knowledge, the phrase isn't copyrighted). You all have made it clear, it's basically impossible to make ANY profit off homebrew unless you go balls out, which also, unfortunately, means empty wallets. So, please accept my apology since it seems like most of you would rather get pissed than present helpful info to brewers like me. It's my hobby just like it's all of yours, so please don't consider it any different now that we know the legality of the issue.

To those who actually provided us with some helpful pages and let us know politely that we cannot do what we said legally, thanks a million. We're not trying to skip around laws, we just didn't know them. We would like to do this on a bigger scale someday just like anyone else. We love beer and that's why we're all here. So, sorry for unknowingly committing an egregious error. We just care that we can make awesome beers and let people try them.

Thanks again for all the help....and all the negative comments (we'll just call it constructive criticism)
I'm probably one of these people you are talking about on the negative side. My response is to the fact that I love this hobby. I brew beer for myself and anyone who comes over. I don't really worry about cost as the hobby of brewing is what keeps me going. I'm not trying to be an ass, I just want to make sure that i can keep brewing for myself. The more I hear of people selling homebrew, the more I worry that one day, they will just decide it's all illegal without some kind of license. It's more self preservation than anything.

I do understand where you are coming from. But you do have to know the work that commercial brewers go through to get their business started. You probably would never have an issue unless some local brewery though you were pulling business away from them and someone decided to turn you in. My only suggestion, if you really do have that many people willing to buy your beer, it might be worth going pro.
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Old 05-14-2014, 04:58 PM   #57
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Well, to all, I apologize for selling my beer at my home "keg releases" (although I don't know why the term keg release applies only to "professional brewers since, to my knowledge, the phrase isn't copyrighted). You all have made it clear, it's basically impossible to make ANY profit off homebrew unless you go balls out, which also, unfortunately, means empty wallets. So, please accept my apology since it seems like most of you would rather get pissed than present helpful info to brewers like me. It's my hobby just like it's all of yours, so please don't consider it any different now that we know the legality of the issue.

To those who actually provided us with some helpful pages and let us know politely that we cannot do what we said legally, thanks a million. We're not trying to skip around laws, we just didn't know them. We would like to do this on a bigger scale someday just like anyone else. We love beer and that's why we're all here. So, sorry for unknowingly committing an egregious error. We just care that we can make awesome beers and let people try them.

Thanks again for all the help....and all the negative comments (we'll just call it constructive criticism)
Your last line is and blatantly backhanded. The problem isn't the responses you got, it's the question you asked, and the motivation behind it.

It puts the other 1.2 Million of us at risk. Ya think the comments are negative? Be the trigger for the federal gov't outlawing homebrewing altogether. Not even Bill Buckner will trade places with ya then.
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Old 05-14-2014, 06:46 PM   #58
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Your last line is and blatantly backhanded. The problem isn't the responses you got, it's the question you asked, and the motivation behind it.

It puts the other 1.2 Million of us at risk. Ya think the comments are negative? Be the trigger for the federal gov't outlawing homebrewing altogether. Not even Bill Buckner will trade places with ya then.
Since you don't seem to content to accept whatever mea culpa bukwas_brew offered up, I feel the need to tell you that I think your notion that HIS actions will put ALL of us at risk to be patently absurd. If this were true the first DWI that killed somebody would have put us back in prohibition. That is not the case.

So, get off your high horse and move along.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:11 PM   #59
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That's enough.

I don't know what led people to think that insults and sarcasm is allowed in this forum, but it must end right now.

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