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Old 12-14-2013, 04:09 AM   #21
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Full boil or partial boil? I don't know if it makes a difference but it might.
When I've done Weyermen's pilsner malt in 90 min full boils it looks very very light. I could see your BGS being darker because the malt is more concentrated.
It sounds like your sure that you don't have crystal or aromatic malts. So it is still a bit of a mystery.

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Old 12-14-2013, 02:04 PM   #22
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Yeah, full 90 min boil. Driving me crazy that I can't seem to figure out what it is.

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Old 12-14-2013, 02:16 PM   #23
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beer smith has always come out dark for me.
Other people dont agree but in my experience it does

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Old 12-14-2013, 02:24 PM   #24
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This is from the base malt experiment I did. The Belgian Pilsner malt is in the left sample at 1.085 OG. Does that seem to match what you're getting?


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There was a suggestion in that thread that my water may be causing the darkening. I've since gotten a water analysis, read the Water book, and started treating my highly bicarbonate well water. I'm hoping to do a side by side experiment at the holidays on untreated vs treated well water and RO. The Belgian Pilsner will be the base malt used.

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Old 12-16-2013, 02:01 PM   #25
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Yeah, I'd say that mine is very similar to your pilsner sample there. Would be interested in seeing if your sample changes with treated water.

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Old 12-16-2013, 02:15 PM   #26
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One issue, or trick, that I sometimes use is to start heating my first runoff as soon as I have a gallon in the BK. I do this intentionally to get some of the malliard reactions that add flavor, but also color. I find that if I runoff off both mash and sparge completely BEFORE I even fire the BK, my beers come out much lighter in color. I think your boiling technique can drastically effect color, either intentionally or otherwise.

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Old 12-16-2013, 10:31 PM   #27
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Here is a sample, a little lighter than last sample bit still darker than Duvel. I do start heating my wort after about 3-5 gallons so that might be part of he prob.

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That looks quite light to me. . I'd recommend trying a few different pilsner malts from different maltsters. You should find differences between them. These are from Northern Brewer's site:

Breiss 1.2L
Rahr 1.5-2.0
Belgian 1.6
Weyermann Bohemian 1.7-2.1
Weyermann Floor Malted Bohemian 1.6-2.0
German 1.6
Best Malz 1.4-2.0

It's a small neighborhood, but there is some variation in their specs and surely in reality when you figure different barley varieties come into play. Would be worth making some teas to compare. But I'd focus on flavor before fretting on color when choosing a malt.

From the photo, I can't judge clarity too well. But that would also be enough to make yours appear darker than a crystal clear commercial one.

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Old 12-18-2013, 11:25 AM   #29
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Actually it has darkened slightly as it has cleared because the yeast is a very pale color it was actual lightening the beer a touch.

If that is the same color everyone else is getting with Dingemans pilsner malt than I am fine with that, guess getting it the color of Duvel is a secret of the Moortgats!

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