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Old 11-01-2009, 01:28 AM   #1
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Just noticed on a bottle of Sam Adams Octoberfest that it has the word 'lager' printed in the bottom corner of the label, but '(Ale in TX)' printed in the top corner.

I wondered why it wasn't a lager in Texas and did a quick google search - came up with this http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/marketin...ins/MPB007.pdf - apparently the state of Texas has defined 'Beer' to be a malt liquor with an ABV between 0.5% - 4% and 'Ale' as any malt liquor over 4% ABV. So a 4+% ABV lager has to be labeled as an ale.

My favorite part of the linked document is the rationale - so as not to mislead or deceive the consumer!

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What the hell?!?!?!?!

Idiots.

I read the pdf and I'm even more confused.
I'm thinking of cracking open an nice 3.5% session ale now...er I mean Lager because I guess the fact that it was made with top fermenting yeast and fermented at 65 degrees means absolutely nothing to those cowboy hat wearing pencil necked geeks.

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Ah yes--- the strangeness of law, so frequently at odds with reality.

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What the hell?!?!?!?!

Idiots.

I read the pdf and I'm even more confused.
I'm thinking of cracking open an nice 3.5% session ale now...er I mean Lager because I guess the fact that it was made with top fermenting yeast and fermented at 65 degrees means absolutely nothing to those cowboy hat wearing pencil necked geeks.
At 3.5% you've got yourself a plain old beer, Revvy - neither an ale nor a lager! Actually, lagers don't seem to exist in Texas
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Old 11-01-2009, 05:34 AM   #5
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Hmm...I can't help but wonder what our esteemed legislators might be up to.

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Texas it seems, has some really screwy laws when it comes to beer. It also has some very high licensing fees for breweries.

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This is why most strong European lagers say "malt liquor" on the label. Either Paulaner or Spaten, can't remember which, uses "Ale" on their lagers (US labeling obviously).

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It says that on the keg caps for Octoberfest too. A fellow employee and I noticed it because one of their keg caps came back on one of our kegs, and we were puzzled. I even said "it's probably a tax law." Now we know!

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I just noticed it the other day. Texans. That's about all I can say. You folk are a different breed.

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Just noticed on a bottle of Sam Adams Octoberfest that it has the word 'lager' printed in the bottom corner of the label, but '(Ale in TX)' printed in the top corner.

I wondered why it wasn't a lager in Texas and did a quick google search - came up with this http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/marketin...ins/MPB007.pdf - apparently the state of Texas has defined 'Beer' to be a malt liquor with an ABV between 0.5% - 4% and 'Ale' as any malt liquor over 4% ABV. So a 4+% ABV lager has to be labeled as an ale.

My favorite part of the linked document is the rationale - so as not to mislead or deceive the consumer!
Its 5% ABV, or 4% ABW. Anyway, you tell which ones are less than 5% by the ones that have the word "beer" on the labels because not all of them disclose. But yeah, stupid laws here. /Texas native
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