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Old 04-22-2011, 01:48 AM   #1
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Default Advice on how to give advice?

Let me preface this post by saying I am by no means a "pro" brewer, not anywhere close, I have been brewing for 2 years and have made some bad brews and some decent brews.

A local small brewpub which shall remain nameless makes awesome food and ok beer, but their lighter styles are always cloudy. Pale ales, IPA, ESB, etc always look like a hefe, they are that cloudy. I don't know his exact setup but part of me hurts for this guy, not like he's dumb and I am a genious, but I think if he checked his water chem and used Whirlfloc his lighter beers would look 10x better.

The only reason I say this is because I ran into the EXACT same problems with my beers, and it was frustrating. The Whirlfloc was far and away way better than plain irish moss in my experience. But he's the one with the successful (from what I can tell) brewpub and I am the schmuck paying for the beer!

But I can see maybe some homebrewers may get a bad rap offering advice in this fashion. I mean I am not so excited or fired up about it that I am going to be a dick to the guy, I love what he's doing and I think it is great for this area. I love brewing like a religion and I would never put down someone doing something I consider a dream for myself. But I know it has to hurt the appeal of these beers when I get a pour and they are not clear, not by a longshot.

So I figured I would post on here and see what everyone's opinion is on this situation. I won't probably ever say anything to him because I don't want to come off like that, but I was pondering it on the way home from there today.

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Old 04-22-2011, 02:17 AM   #2
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Probably the best thing you can do is ask about his process and non-chalantly point out the ways he may be going wrong where you've corrected mistakes. Obviously, his system going to be (a lot) different than yours, so he may still be trying to figure it out...or getting blitzed while he's brewing.

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Don't ever give unsolicited advice to a brewer unless you want to piss him off.

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Old 04-22-2011, 07:09 AM   #4
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Does clarity make something taste better or does it alter your perception of how something tastes? Do you like their beer? If yes, keep buying it. No, there are other options. Clarity can cost beer some nutritional value.

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Old 04-22-2011, 01:15 PM   #6
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Don't ever give unsolicited advice to a brewer unless you want to piss him off.
Aint that the truth?

OP, strike up conversations, become friends, ask if you can hang out for a brewday. Observe his process. Maybe there's a reason for the look of his beer.
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Send a letter to the place to the brewer's attention saying you are a customer, homebrewer and huge fan and have a question about the clarity of some of their beers. Say you have some similar issues with your beers and are trying to work on the issue--are they trying anything to deal with it? Have they heard of trying ___________ or _______________ or _____________ ? Invite them to write back if they want to share any ideas. Be positive, enthusiastic, and respectful. Would be hard for them to get upset at you that way and it could lead to you having a good relationship with the brewer.

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Frankly, you don't know enough about his setup to provide constructive criticism, and if your best advice is telling him to try Whirlfloc, if will just come off as insulting to boot.

Its his problem, not yours.

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Aint that the truth?

OP, strike up conversations, become friends, ask if you can hang out for a brewday. Observe his process. Maybe there's a reason for the look of his beer.
This is what I was thinking as well. Advice from friends is always better received than advice from a stranger.
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Does clarity make something taste better or does it alter your perception of how something tastes? Do you like their beer? If yes, keep buying it. No, there are other options. Clarity can cost beer some nutritional value.
Clarity will make the beer taste better! It is called presentation, every cook/chef knows this. If food/drink looks great it will be perceived as such, if it looks wrong/bad people are more apt to complain or claim something is off, even when it is not.

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I think you should order a lighter beer and then ask the server why it is so cloudy? (Don't be a prick about it...) Just to kick off the conversation. If someone served you a stout that had an SRM of 5 would you say something? A business needs feedback in order to improve/meet costumer's needs. If you go on saying nothing, you are hurting them more than helping.
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