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Old 02-28-2010, 10:27 PM   #1
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Default 3.2% States and their beer/wine regulations...

So this question came up in the 3.2% thread and it made me say hmmm;

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MMMMMMMM!!!! 3.2% barleywine. I can't wait to try that.
In these 3.2 states, do they have ABV limits on wine? I've never seen 3.2% wine. Since they require beer above 3.2% to be in a liquor store, does wine have to be as well? No wine in grocery or convenience stores at all?

If they allow wine in grocery/convenience and not beer, do they consider barleywine to be wine, or beer (ya, I know it's just strong beer, but still)? How about mead? How about braggot? Are these in liquor or grocery stores? How do they separate it? If it's grain based, it's beer, anything else is wine? What about wine coolers, Zima (do they still make that?), Mike's Hard, hard apple cider, etc, that don't fit into either category?

Here in WA, distilled products are in the state-run liquor store and everything else is available in grocery/convenience stores (as far as I know, there might be a few exceptions, but I can't think of any). I can't comment on the new 41%ABV beer that recently came out because I don't think we have it here yet, if ever. I also have not seen really high ABV beer either, like DFH 120min IPA at 18%, or Sam Adams Utopias at 27%, but I have had some 11% barleywine from the grocery store. I don't know where, if any, cut off there is for un-distilled products.

If I was in a state that allowed wine, but not "strong" beer in grocery stores, I'd have a real problem with that. Seems like product discrimination. After all, these products are cousins. Both are made by extracting sugars from natural products and then fermenting, bottling, and distributing. I just don't see a difference.
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Old 02-28-2010, 10:35 PM   #2
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Agreed.

Iirc, Utopias is not legal to sell here in wa, might be wrong and I have no idea why.

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Old 02-28-2010, 10:48 PM   #3
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same in NH, all distilled spirits are sold only at state liquor stores, but its tax free so nobody is complaining. In Maine on the other hand, you can pretty much buy liquor at Toys R Us.

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All wine is sold in the bottle shops in Oklahoma. would be so cool to get some at the food store. but its EVIL and can not be put next to our food.

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I do know that Avery Mephistopheles at 15% ABV is available at WA state beer shops.

http://www.averybrewing.com/index2.html

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Ma..ma..mm..mama says high gravity is the devil!

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Agreed.

Iirc, Utopias is not legal to sell here in wa, might be wrong and I have no idea why.
I've been searching the WA Liquor Control Board and can't seem to find a maximum ABV for beer. "Malt Beverage" is a maximum of 8% ABW and anything above that is considered "Strong Beer".

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same in NH, all distilled spirits are sold only at state liquor stores, but its tax free so nobody is complaining. In Maine on the other hand, you can pretty much buy liquor at Toys R Us.
Our spirits are pretty heavily taxed. Sounds like you guys have it pretty good.

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All wine is sold in the bottle shops in Oklahoma. would be so cool to get some at the food store. but its EVIL and can not be put next to our food.
That really sucks. So basically, anything over 3.2% is deemed "dangerous" and obviously needs to be heavily regulated.

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I do know that Avery Mephistopheles at 15% ABV is available at WA state beer shops.

http://www.averybrewing.com/index2.html
That's cool. I haven't run across that one yet. Good to know.

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Here in Iowa there is a max on beer of 6% abv. Any beer over that must be bought from the state of Iowa. A liquor store or grocery store will buy it from the state and then sell it to you. I can get lots of great high gravity beers but they are high priced. I just got done with a 6 pack of 2010 Sierra Nevada Bigfoot. What really sucks about this law is that Iowa breweries cannot brew over 6% but the state will import big brews from other states.

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I was told by a guy I know who has one of the 8 Distillery Licenses in WA that 20% is the magic number.

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I was told by a guy I know who has one of the 8 Distillery Licenses in WA that 20% is the magic number.
sounds about right, dogfish 120 is available in stores and bars @ 18% just under that mark
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