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MonkeyWrench 02-28-2010 10:27 PM

3.2% States and their beer/wine regulations...
 
So this question came up in the 3.2% thread and it made me say hmmm;

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Originally Posted by annasdadhockey (Post 1914103)
MMMMMMMM!!!! 3.2% barleywine. I can't wait to try that.

In these 3.2 states, do they have ABV limits on wine? I've never seen 3.2% wine. Since they require beer above 3.2% to be in a liquor store, does wine have to be as well? No wine in grocery or convenience stores at all?

If they allow wine in grocery/convenience and not beer, do they consider barleywine to be wine, or beer (ya, I know it's just strong beer, but still)? How about mead? How about braggot? Are these in liquor or grocery stores? How do they separate it? If it's grain based, it's beer, anything else is wine? What about wine coolers, Zima (do they still make that?), Mike's Hard, hard apple cider, etc, that don't fit into either category?

Here in WA, distilled products are in the state-run liquor store and everything else is available in grocery/convenience stores (as far as I know, there might be a few exceptions, but I can't think of any). I can't comment on the new 41%ABV beer that recently came out because I don't think we have it here yet, if ever. I also have not seen really high ABV beer either, like DFH 120min IPA at 18%, or Sam Adams Utopias at 27%, but I have had some 11% barleywine from the grocery store. I don't know where, if any, cut off there is for un-distilled products.

If I was in a state that allowed wine, but not "strong" beer in grocery stores, I'd have a real problem with that. Seems like product discrimination. After all, these products are cousins. Both are made by extracting sugars from natural products and then fermenting, bottling, and distributing. I just don't see a difference.

philrose 02-28-2010 10:35 PM

Agreed.

Iirc, Utopias is not legal to sell here in wa, might be wrong and I have no idea why.

gtpro 02-28-2010 10:48 PM

same in NH, all distilled spirits are sold only at state liquor stores, but its tax free so nobody is complaining. In Maine on the other hand, you can pretty much buy liquor at Toys R Us. :D

buzzkill 03-01-2010 01:03 AM

All wine is sold in the bottle shops in Oklahoma. would be so cool to get some at the food store. but its EVIL and can not be put next to our food.

McKBrew 03-01-2010 01:08 AM

I do know that Avery Mephistopheles at 15% ABV is available at WA state beer shops.

http://www.averybrewing.com/index2.html

Mikethepoolguy 03-01-2010 01:11 AM

Ma..ma..mm..mama says high gravity is the devil!

MonkeyWrench 03-01-2010 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by philrose (Post 1914827)
Agreed.

Iirc, Utopias is not legal to sell here in wa, might be wrong and I have no idea why.

I've been searching the WA Liquor Control Board and can't seem to find a maximum ABV for beer. "Malt Beverage" is a maximum of 8% ABW and anything above that is considered "Strong Beer".

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Originally Posted by gtpro (Post 1914845)
same in NH, all distilled spirits are sold only at state liquor stores, but its tax free so nobody is complaining. In Maine on the other hand, you can pretty much buy liquor at Toys R Us. :D

Our spirits are pretty heavily taxed. Sounds like you guys have it pretty good.

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Originally Posted by buzzkill (Post 1915119)
All wine is sold in the bottle shops in Oklahoma. would be so cool to get some at the food store. but its EVIL and can not be put next to our food.

That really sucks. So basically, anything over 3.2% is deemed "dangerous" and obviously needs to be heavily regulated.

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Originally Posted by McKBrew (Post 1915131)
I do know that Avery Mephistopheles at 15% ABV is available at WA state beer shops.

http://www.averybrewing.com/index2.html

That's cool. I haven't run across that one yet. Good to know.

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Originally Posted by Mikethepoolguy (Post 1915140)
Ma..ma..mm..mama says high gravity is the devil!

You mean your brother...big brother.

Reno_Raines 03-01-2010 05:41 AM

Here in Iowa there is a max on beer of 6% abv. Any beer over that must be bought from the state of Iowa. A liquor store or grocery store will buy it from the state and then sell it to you. I can get lots of great high gravity beers but they are high priced. I just got done with a 6 pack of 2010 Sierra Nevada Bigfoot. What really sucks about this law is that Iowa breweries cannot brew over 6% but the state will import big brews from other states.

northernlad 03-01-2010 06:05 AM

I was told by a guy I know who has one of the 8 Distillery Licenses in WA that 20% is the magic number.

philrose 03-01-2010 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by northernlad (Post 1915592)
I was told by a guy I know who has one of the 8 Distillery Licenses in WA that 20% is the magic number.

sounds about right, dogfish 120 is available in stores and bars @ 18% just under that mark


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