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Old 05-12-2014, 02:20 PM   #581
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Double checking that the scores are added up correctly is on the stewards. I know i had at least two sheets that went back to the judges for corrections for this very reason. The judges were more than happy to make the corrections.

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Old 05-12-2014, 02:54 PM   #582
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Went through my score sheets in more detail yesterday and a few things stuck out to me. First was that the checklist score sheets seemed to throw off the judges despite the AHA's intentions. The certified judges seemed to have the most trouble with it (in one case, they wrote no comments at all and in another they wrote comments everywhere). I guess when you get used to one format, switching to another completely different one requires some retraining. Second is basic addition. I had a beer which based on individual AAFMO scores should have scored a 33 but due to not making sure the individual scores added up to the final score wound up with a 29. Didn't advance to mini-BOS anyway, but it's a simple thing. Either the judge had trouble adding, or they worked backwards incorrectly. Third and final is that I seriously wonder about shipping and handling in some cases. I did a side-by-side of one of my beers with a reference beer last night and I'm still dumbfounded as to how it scored so low.
The quick list format does not require you to write in info in every section. The fact that some judges prefer to write in some info and others doesn't is just personal choice on the judges part.

Math issues happen. I find they usually happen with me when I have to adjust my score after discussion with the other judge/judges. Sometimes you adjust multiple categories while still discussing and then figure 'ok I removed 2 points here and 1 point there, so -3 from my old total. When in fact you forgot you also adjusted this category etc..' Of course if the steward doesn't catch it I never know if I make a math error...

I find shipping and handling ALWAYS effects the beers negatively. I've noticed this with pretty much all competitons. You're best best is to hand deliver to one of the drop off locations if possible. My club usually gets someone to do it for others. I did it this year. People gave me $5-$10 to deliver their entries... Cheaper than shipping and their beers are not as abused. Of course that's not to say you can't still win with a shipped beer. I just think it takes a hit still from shipping.
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Old 05-12-2014, 05:31 PM   #583
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Double checking that the scores are added up correctly is on the stewards. I know i had at least two sheets that went back to the judges for corrections for this very reason. The judges were more than happy to make the corrections.
Yeah, double checking is on the stewards, but checking is on the judge. It's not rocket science. Like I said, just thoughts I had going through them from both an entrant's perspective and a judge's perspective. In my case, it wouldn't have made a difference in outcome.

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The quick list format does not require you to write in info in every section. The fact that some judges prefer to write in some info and others doesn't is just personal choice on the judges part.
I know. What I'm referring to is that some wrote in every section, and some wrote nothing at all. Ultimately I think this is on the AHA and the sites more than the judges, though. They chose to use the check list form where most certified judges (especially if they've been certified within the last couple years) have had the traditional score sheet drilled into them, so they either default to all or nothing. There's probably a balance there somewhere that the AHA or site should provide some guidance on at the outset.

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Math issues happen. I find they usually happen with me when I have to adjust my score after discussion with the other judge/judges. Sometimes you adjust multiple categories while still discussing and then figure 'ok I removed 2 points here and 1 point there, so -3 from my old total. When in fact you forgot you also adjusted this category etc..' Of course if the steward doesn't catch it I never know if I make a math error...
In this case, I don't think it was from discussion since the other judge scored it at a 33, so both of them should have had the same score. Like I said, though, it's just a thought I had since it's something I consider simple to fix and something I pay attention to as a judge. It's not like I'm going to report the judge or even contact them about it.

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I find shipping and handling ALWAYS effects the beers negatively. I've noticed this with pretty much all competitons. You're best best is to hand deliver to one of the drop off locations if possible. My club usually gets someone to do it for others. I did it this year. People gave me $5-$10 to deliver their entries... Cheaper than shipping and their beers are not as abused. Of course that's not to say you can't still win with a shipped beer. I just think it takes a hit still from shipping.
Yeah, I expect it really bit me in this case because the two perceptions were pretty widely different. I only shipped where I did because I was planning on judging the closest location and two of the categories I entered are the ones I'm most inclined to judge. I usually mule the club entries in most cases. I need to come up with a Gordon Strong style method though for the rare cases where I do decide to ship.
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Old 05-13-2014, 10:46 PM   #584
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Score sheets came in today from Nashville. Great feedback from bjcp national judge on my APA (scored a 38 but didn't progress) other judge was a novice and didn't write anything really. Just glad I got some feedback.

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