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I don't think anybody here filters their beer. As to the bottle-carb only proposal, easier still would be to ignore the cost of priming sugar (more complicated would be to require keggers to pro-rate their CO2 usage).

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I am just thinking of the other contests I have judged and how equipment has never been the key factor in succesful beers. More often then not it is a quality beer, made simply that wins. I see the basic idea behind this to be cheap, quality homebrew.

I think if we start trying to make equipment rules we will really unloose a Pandora's box.

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Between the last two posts...I wholly agree. Beer is beer. Tastes good or it doesn't. Since there's no bonus style points for clarity or anything, it's a moot point. Plus, if we don't include the cost of priming sugar, that balances out the cost (somewhat) of the guy who had to buy all the CO2 stuff to keg it.

That's why we need good level headed people on the rules committee. Maybe I'm not level headed enough.

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Can I ask where you can get BMC for $3.42 a gallon or $53.01 a half barrel? Up here where booze are cheap and plentiful it's around $42 a quarter barrel.

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Well, I don't think that's really relevent to anything, but since you asked...

http://www.samswine.com/Help/kegs.aspx


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Ok. Let's exclude carbonation cost too... whether bottle primed or CO2'd.

Maybe we should knock a nickel off everybody's cost per-gallon limit to accomodate that.

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Go ahead and try to invent a beer recipe for $5.80 a gallon. Your procedure will look something like this:
Step one: Go to any homebrew supply shop.
Step two: Ask them for a 5 gallon kit to make any kind of beer you like.
Step three: Make the kit.

There's nothing to it. My idea was to start cutting down the costs, stripping away the excess ingredients until it became a challenge. Frankly I didn't even think $3.42 would be much of a challenge. This, I feel, is a challenge. If you've been following the other thread on this, you'll notice that nobody's even managed to hit 5% ABV yet. That's what I call a CHALLENGE!!!!

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All this talk of carbonation rules and ingredient prohibition is kinda putting me off on this otherwise excellent idea for a friendly brew competition.

Let's leave things as unrestricted as possible - i.e., clarifiers, any means of carbonation, and even filtering are ok. Remember, we're talking about making a very economical beer based on ingredients alone, not equipment. Any recipe that calls for filtering or force carbonation could just as easily be duplicated by using a bright tank (i.e., secondary) and bottle conditioning.

The rules should be VERY simple - set a price limit and loose style guideline (i.e., make beer), and create a fair scoring system where flavor and low price dominate the scale, and appearance/BJCP style criteria mean little to nothing. I do agree with this single restriction: the addition of alcohol via vodka, other spirits, or other non-beer, non-homebrewed means is prohibited.

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I also think that the rules need to be very simplified. The criteria are cost & taste. Anything beyond that starts to get too cumbersome. The only area that needs details defined are the judging criteria and any penalty points for going outside the judging criteria (i.e. if the cost is 4 cents over, what penalty is assessed, how will the judging determine the score of the beer, etc.) Otherwise, I think this is a great idea.

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