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Old 12-18-2005, 01:34 PM   #11
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Yep. Let's please keep anything political out of this forum.
His wife is heiress to the company/fortune, not him. It's not his $$$.
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:14 AM   #12
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Can we keep downing on catsup? Down with ketchup too! They're the bastards of the condiment world!

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Old 12-19-2005, 12:57 PM   #13
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God you bunch of weenies cant even take a facetious comment. Spose youd get your panties in a wad if i said baseball sux, cause thay are all over paid whiners. Its ajoke...haha chuckle chuckle.....not trying to persuade you from the dark side......but i digress, sorry to offend you all.
Generally a facetious comment is accompanied by a little winky thingy...like this: or in your case one of the "I'm drunk" ( ) icons would have helped us determine your intent.
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Old 12-19-2005, 11:20 PM   #14
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Ok, I will remember that next time.....sorry for the frumpiness.....harumph!

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Old 12-20-2005, 01:38 AM   #15
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That's OK with me 'cause I don't like baseball either. Of course its good point is it's just slightly more entertainment than watching golf.

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That statement is totally uncalled for on this forum...there are plenty of places on the net where political discussions are appropriate, both considered and drunken. Please don't ruin this place for the rest of us.

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Umm.... so, ice in the yeast? It was on top, where it was all liquid. None of the yeast itself froze.

Or are we stuck on catsup and liberals?

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Umm.... so, ice in the yeast? It was on top, where it was all liquid. None of the yeast itself froze.

Or are we stuck on catsup and liberals?
ice doesn't kill yeast. I am a chef and at work we cold retard our baked goods in the freezer and bring them up to room tem and then bake them off with no problems. The yeast bounces back right away. If the cold affected the yeast places that dropped below freezing wouldn't have any wild yeast, it would die every winter.

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ice doesn't kill yeast. I am a chef and at work we cold retard our baked goods in the freezer and bring them up to room tem and then bake them off with no problems. The yeast bounces back right away. If the cold affected the yeast places that dropped below freezing wouldn't have any wild yeast, it would die every winter.

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I'm a scientist and I can tell you that ice DOES kill yeast no if and or butts about it. Its not as effective as an autoclave, boiling, bleach ect but it will kill yeast and bacteria. More specifically the formation of ice crystals around/in the cell membrane is the main culpret for cell death. This is why all if not all of the frozen stocks of yeast in the world are stored in glycerol (or DMSO) to change how the ice crystals form. As for your second comment "freezing" of surface water on a large scale (i.e. outside) is not the same a freezing a cell in a freezer. There is never a complete freezing in nature almost always there is liquid water present, insulated areas, warm pockets ect. Finally in a baking situation there are couple of different reasons one is macromolecular stabilization. The majority of yeast still die but enough remain to proof the item. In pre-formed, pre-proofed uncooked bakery items most of the yeast are dead all you need is the CO2/water to reamin in the breadie item in order for it to work.

As for yeast washing. If you didn't freeze the entire item, your good to go. When you wash make sure it is sterile water. Also as others stated do a smell and taste test during the starter. Washing without differential centrifugation or acid wash will also wash any contimating bacteria. If you use good sanitary/sterile technique you should be fine but its a good thing to double check.

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