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Old 01-28-2013, 07:41 PM   #11
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Huh, I never realized it was til you mentioned it and I googled it. Interesting.

See OP, you learn something new everyday.
I hadnt either until I starting thinking about brewing one.

It makes sense though, there is a cleaness and richness of malt flavor that I havent tasted in other porters(ales).


Its probably my favorite dark beer style, not that I dont love a nice Imperial Stout.
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Hmmm, good reasonings and insights so far, thanks!

I know there many different types of delicious lagers out there... I was more thinking along the lines of "I want to brew a Celebrator clone...why would I use a lager yeast? Why not make it techinacally and ale and save myself time some trouble (fermenting low with a clean ale yeast). Is the difference worth it?"

I mean, I've never had a Celebrator brewed with an ale yeast, so I can't say. I love full flavor beers, but I also love clean and crisp lighter beers too. I'm more curious if ale and lager yeasts are really so different. It seems that the clean/crispness of a great lager cannot be matched by an ale, from what I'm reading...it lets the malt/hop flavored through more on their own...

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I've yet to find a "clean ale yeast" that matches or even nears the cleanliness of a lager yeast, especially for the "fizzy yellow" variety of them. With darker styles, maybe, but even the most cleanest ale yeast, no matter what temp you try brewing it at, it's not totally clean.

I think the biggest thing is the lager phase, in the cold the yeast still continues to go back and clean up after itself. Even better than an ale yeast in a long secondary or extended primary.

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It seems that the clean/crispness of a great lager cannot be matched by an ale, from what I'm reading...it lets the malt/hop flavored through more on their own...
Bingo...The low temps lagers are fermented at theres no other way to get that crisp body, thus ale yeasts do not perform in those temp ranges and cannot achieve this profile
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Dont forget Baltic Porters Revvy


@ the OP. I am about to start into lagers soon and the main reason is they are a different animal that I want to drink and brew. Im going to start with a czech pilsner and then do a Baltic Porter.

As for the added expense of temperature control, you should have that for ales anyways, if you are doing it right.
I'm fermenting a Baltic Porter right now w/an ale yeast. Temp is 58*F and after a week it's still got bubbles in the airlock.
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You'll have to pardon my ignorance on this one, but I'm wondering why people brew lagers over ales.
I don't brew lagers over ales, I brew lagers in addition to ales. Why? Because I like them. I suspect many others who brew them do so for the same reason.

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If its a clean taste profile that is desired, won't a clean-fermenting ale yeast do?
No, it won't. A clean ale yeast still does not produce the same beer as a lager yeast.



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Is the extra equipment (temp control) and time needed really worth it?
That's up to you. If you don't like lagers I'm not going to try and talk you into brewing one. If you don't like them it may be because you've never had a good one. The world of lagers is very broad as is pointed out in the posts above.

You really don't need any extra equipment if you already have a beer fridge and live in a cold climate. (My basement is currently at 50F and will probably stay there for a couple of months) If not you do have to provide an environment suitable for lager fermentation as well as the lagering itself.

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I don't brew lagers over ales, I brew lagers in addition to ales. Why? Because I like them. I suspect many others who brew them do so for the same reason.



No, it won't. A clean ale yeast still does not produce the same beer as a lager yeast.





That's up to you. If you don't like lagers I'm not going to try and talk you into brewing one. If you don't like them it may be because you've never had a good one. The world of lagers is very broad as is pointed out in the posts above.

You really don't need any extra equipment if you already have a beer fridge and live in a cold climate. (My basement is currently at 50F and will probably stay there for a couple of months) If not you do have to provide an environment suitable for lager fermentation as well as the lagering itself.

And if you live in a clime like Michigan, OR CHICAGO, with a winter, you don't even have to get all fancy smancy.....Ugly junk 2012, Ghetto Lagering Chamber
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A world without lager is just as bad as a world without ale.

Helles is brilliant in it's taste and origin.

If Celebrator didn't exist, my life would be incomplete.

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I love brewing crystal clear lagers in addition to my ales. I also love the challenge of brewing lagers in a controlled environment, and tinkering with making starters at lager temp and room temp in an attempt to perfect my process.

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Im currently lagering my first lager, with help from the afore mentioned Michigan weather. I pulled a sample when moving to secondary and I gotta tell you it was one of the smoothest and most refreshing beers ive ever had, and its not done or carbed yet! Its definately worth delving into.

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