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Old 03-03-2007, 01:44 PM   #131
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Blktre, batch sparging is faster...there's no question about it. A lot of experienced brewers have proven this time and time again. Can it be done in a way that it's not faster? Of course, especially if you're just getting your process down.

I can have my wort boiling within 20m of taking my first running. You can't do that with fly sparging and get any kind of reasonable efficiency.

Is efficiency better with fly sparging? Yes, on most (but not all) systems.
Is fly sparging more traditional? Yes.
Is fly sparging more set and forget? I'd say so.
Does fly sparging require more equipment? Yes.
Which is better? Whichever is better for you. No need to make an issue out of something that just isn't an issue.
This is a man talking out of INexperience.......next time your in KS. stop by for a beer and i will show you a fly sparge system that defeats most everything you just said..
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Old 03-03-2007, 03:33 PM   #132
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This is a man talking out of INexperience.......next time your in KS. stop by for a beer and i will show you a fly sparge system that defeats most everything you just said..
LMAO! Well, it's not my day to defeat your invincible ignorance, so carry on...



BTW, if fly sparging isn't more efficient or 'set and forget', I really have no idea why anybody would do it other than masochism.
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Old 03-03-2007, 03:41 PM   #133
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Old 03-03-2007, 03:44 PM   #134
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LMAO! Well, it's not my day to defeat your invincible ignorance, so carry on...



BTW, if fly sparging isn't more efficient or 'set and forget', I really have no idea why anybody would do it other than masochism.
Or maybe you misinterpretted what you said. Perhaps he actually meant that his fly sparge gear WASN'T more efficient and it WASN'T very set and forget. It might have been that he was trying to be humble.

But perhaps not.

Regardless, I really liked your summary of the essential differences between methods. Thanks for distilling the whole discussion down into just the key elements (that really helps clarify things for me, anyways).
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Old 03-03-2007, 05:16 PM   #135
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This is a man talking out of INexperience.......next time your in KS. stop by for a beer and i will show you a fly sparge system that defeats most everything you just said..
Sorry, but calling the Baron inexperienced is .. well...funny.

Not mocking your setup at all.

... inexperienced?? Still ROFLAO..

Needed a good chuckle in the morning. (Especially since our "Warm Weather" forecast has turned into 3 inches of snow asnd it's to cold to brew with the garage door open)
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Old 03-03-2007, 05:51 PM   #136
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There is nothing wrong with starting the burners after the first sparge, even if it starts to boil before you get your second runnings in.
My first and second runnings are all being drained into the same cook pot. Doing so gives me a look at the boil volume I'm getting and I can continue to sparge until I have my 6 - 6 1/2 gallons. Then I set to boil.

Longer? Of course. But I love brewing. If I want quick, there's a QT at the corner that sells beer.

As far as preferences, I batch sparge out of simplicity. I'll only say that I've converted two people at work into taking up homebrewing recenty...and moving to AG on their 3rd (or maybe it was their 4th) batches. The simplicity of batch sparging was easy for them (and me) to grasp and put into action.

Heat some water and soak some grains...
Drain the sugary water and heat some more water...
Add the hot water and soak the grains again...
Drain the sugary water again...etc...etc...etc...until you have about 6 gallons...
Boil it.
Cool it
Add yeast.

Not that's a process even I could visualize.
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Old 03-03-2007, 06:25 PM   #137
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Sorry, but calling the Baron inexperienced is .. well...funny.
So how many FLY sparges has Baron done ? Is he an experienced FLY sparger ?

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A lot of experienced brewers have proven this time and time again.
That sounds like secondhand experience to me. He doesn't say, " I tried both and I found that..."

I like my information straight from the horses mount, ie people who are proficient at both. Or at least lets talk about what we have done ourselves.
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So how many FLY sparges has Baron done ? Is he an experienced FLY sparger ?

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That sounds like secondhand experience to me. He doesn't say, " I tried both and I found that..."

I like my information straight from the horses mount, ie people who are proficient at both. Or at least lets talk about what we have done ourselves.
Where did I indicate I haven't done fly sparging? My first dozen AG batches were fly sparging. I switched to batch sparging for the simplicity and time savings which I've seen firsthand. My efficiency is basically unchanged other than slightly lower on grists with lots of wheat, which I can live with.

Guys, I'm not saying one method or the other is better. I do triple decoctions which are even more poopoo-ed than batch or fly sparging combined. I'm saying do what feels right for you, but batch sparging will offer a time savings over fly sparging if both are done properly.
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Where did I indicate I haven't done fly sparging? My first dozen AG batches were fly sparging. I switched to batch sparging for the simplicity and time savings which I've seen firsthand. My efficiency is basically unchanged other than slightly lower on grists with lots of wheat, which I can live with.

Guys, I'm not saying one method or the other is better. I do triple decoctions which are even more poopoo-ed than batch or fly sparging combined. I'm saying do what feels right for you, but batch sparging will offer a time savings over fly sparging if both are done properly.
If this doesn't end this damn thread, then it's absolutely freakin' hopeless.

Thank you for chiming in, Baron.
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