The Great Bottle Opener Giveaway

Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > General Techniques > What does a stepped-up starter look like?

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 05-08-2009, 03:08 PM   #1
climateboy
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 459
Liked 7 Times on 6 Posts
Likes Given: 10

Default What does a stepped-up starter look like?

Hey, all.

So, earlier this week, I thought I was "the yeast whisperer." There was a special edition yeast (Wyeast Biere de Garde) that I really wanted to work with again, and the only chance I had of getting it back was a few bottles aging from last year. I poured the ends of few bottles into a glass jug, added wort, waited.

In a few days, a little bit of activity. I added the ends of a few more bottles, and it really got going...krausen and everything.

So I tried to step it up again, and added two more pints of wort. Now...nothing, really. There's a layer of flocculated yeast on the bottom of the jug, but I want more! Can I expect it to krausen again? What am I looking for as I step up the starter?


Thanks,

CB

__________________

"Mas vale bolo famoso que alcoholico anonimo."

Join DC Homebrewers


"Fermentation Without Representation"
(C)

climateboy is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-08-2009, 03:44 PM   #2
krausenmustache
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 88
Liked 4 Times on 1 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by climateboy View Post
Hey, all.

So, earlier this week, I thought I was "the yeast whisperer." There was a special edition yeast (Wyeast Biere de Garde) that I really wanted to work with again, and the only chance I had of getting it back was a few bottles aging from last year. I poured the ends of few bottles into a glass jug, added wort, waited.

In a few days, a little bit of activity. I added the ends of a few more bottles, and it really got going...krausen and everything.

So I tried to step it up again, and added two more pints of wort. Now...nothing, really. There's a layer of flocculated yeast on the bottom of the jug, but I want more! Can I expect it to krausen again? What am I looking for as I step up the starter?


Thanks,

CB

before adding your second wort addition, did you cold crash your yeast and decant the beer?

If not, I would do that now, then add fresh wort (let the yeast come to room temp), and shake/stir the hell out of it.
__________________
krausenmustache is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-08-2009, 03:49 PM   #3
climateboy
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 459
Liked 7 Times on 6 Posts
Likes Given: 10

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by krausenmustache View Post
before adding your second wort addition, did you cold crash your yeast and decant the beer?

If not, I would do that now, then add fresh wort (let the yeast come to room temp), and shake/stir the hell out of it.
Aha! I did not cold crash the yeast before the second wort addition. I will do that. Can I keep repeating this cycle until I've built up a big enough population?
__________________

"Mas vale bolo famoso que alcoholico anonimo."

Join DC Homebrewers


"Fermentation Without Representation"
(C)

climateboy is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-08-2009, 03:58 PM   #4
krausenmustache
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 88
Liked 4 Times on 1 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by climateboy View Post
Aha! I did not cold crash the yeast before the second wort addition. I will do that. Can I keep repeating this cycle until I've built up a big enough population?
I dont see why not.
__________________
krausenmustache is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-08-2009, 04:00 PM   #5
Revvy
Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Revvy's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: "Detroitish" Michigan
Posts: 40,801
Liked 2708 Times on 1627 Posts
Likes Given: 3483

Default

I wouldn't judge a succesful starter or yeast harvest on whther or not I see a krausen....I have only ever seen one krauzen on all the yeast harvests or starters I have made....The only thing you need to look for is the amount of yeast in the cramy layer between beer and sediment...that dictates how large an amount of yeas tyou have...

I wouldn't cold crash a starter I was stepping up, you don't want the yeasties to go dormant if you are still feeding them wort to eat...if they are asleep, they aren't going ot do the job you want them to do, which is to eat, procreate and flocculate.

If you cold crash all you are gonna get is a lot of lag time and unhappy yeast going through cycles of hot and cold.

Whether it's a harvest, a wash, or a starter, the YEAST band is all that matters.

__________________

Like my snazzy new avatar? Get Sons of Zymurgy swag, here, and brew with the best.

Revvy's one of the cool reverends. He has a Harley and a t-shirt that says on the back "If you can read this, the bitch was Raptured. - Madman

I gotta tell ya, just between us girls, that Revvy is HOT. Very tall, gorgeous grey hair and a terrific smile. He's very good looking in person, with a charismatic personality... he drives like a ****ing maniac! - YooperBrew

Revvy is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-08-2009, 04:04 PM   #6
climateboy
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 459
Liked 7 Times on 6 Posts
Likes Given: 10

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Revvy View Post
I wouldn't judge a succesful starter or yeast harvest on whther or not I see a krausen....I have only ever seen one krauzen on all the yeast harvests or starters I have made....The only thing you need to look for is the amount of yeast in the cramy layer between beer and sediment...that dictates how large an amount of yeas tyou have...

I wouldn't cold crash a starter I was stepping up, you don't want the yeasties to go dormant if you are still feeding them wort to eat...if they are asleep, they aren't going ot do the job you want them to do, which is to east and procreate.

Whether it's a harvest, a wash, or a starter, the YEAST band is all that matters.

Thanks, Rev. All I have is one band at the bottom, but it is definitely creamy yeast colored. Since I've been adding pressure-canned wort, I haven't been pouring in the trub from the bottom of those jars, so there might be less in the starter.
__________________

"Mas vale bolo famoso que alcoholico anonimo."

Join DC Homebrewers


"Fermentation Without Representation"
(C)

climateboy is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Brett starter or no starter squeekysheep General Techniques 4 07-31-2009 02:54 AM
Starter Question / Will 1/2 gal of starter do two batches? JKHomebrew General Beer Discussion 4 01-28-2009 12:39 PM
Fermentation stepped 7 days in.. BillyVegas Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 12 12-15-2008 10:12 AM
Starter? We don't need no stinkin' starter! Hopsnort General Techniques 11 02-13-2006 07:14 AM
Stepped up to the real thing... HomerT Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 7 09-30-2005 06:54 AM