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Old 04-23-2009, 09:57 PM   #1
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Default Warm temp lager fermentation experiment

Like many of you, I'm currently only setup to do ales using the fermentation chamber in my sig. I don't have any space left for a lagerator, but I really want to start brewing lagers more often -- currently I only lager once or twice a year when I can put up with warm kegs (and foamy pours ) for a couple of weeks but I love my homebrewed versions of cheap swill beer!

I've been stewing on this for awhile and I think I have a solution that may let me ferment lagers in my ghetto fermentation chamber using only a few bags of ice and a couple of tricks.

First, the recipe. This ain't no steam beer -- it's a pale American lager. If it has any flaws, they will show up in spades. That is exactly the point, to test out the process and to determine if it produces a clean lager.

Mid-American Lager
BJCP 1B, Standard American Lager

75% 2-row (3 lb 2 oz @85% eff. for 2.25 gallons)
20% Flaked Rice (13 oz)
5% Vienna (3.5 oz)

Hop:
1/8 oz Galena 60 (13 IBUs for 2.25 gallons)

Yeast:
WLP840 American Lager

The process:

Two days before the first batch of wort, I will prepare a 1500ml starter on a stir plate. This will give me a pitching rate of about 2.2M cells/ml/*Plato, or about 50% over the normal recommended pitching rate for lagers. This starter will be chilled and decanted.

Brew day #1 is simple BIAB, step mash at 122*F and 150*F on the stove top, to produce ~2.25 gallons of 1.056 wort. Reserving 1 quart for trub, I'll have 2 gallons of wort. I will aerate the snot out of it, chill down to 50*F in my fermentation chamber using plenty of ice, and pitch.

Of course my chamber has no insulation, so I expect the temp will rise gradually up to the low 60's by the next day. At that point I'll maintain the temp as close to 60*F as I can with water bottles, which is just above the recommended range for the yeast. The key is that with my high pitching rate and pure O2, I expect any yeast growth will be complete by the time the temp gets above 58*F, so I should have limited ester production as a result of the warmer temps.

Brew day #2, 24 hours later, I'll prepare another batch of identical wort. I'll chill back to 50*F using a bag of ice, oxygenate the fresh wort, and pitch onto the actively fermenting wort. At this point I have enough yeast to easily ferment the four gallons of lager, so again I should be through the growth phase within 12 hours and back into vigorous fermentation.

I'll then keep the temps as close to 60*F as I can with bottles of ice until fermentation slows after which I will let it finish at room temp. After attenuation is reached, I'll rack to a keg, top up to five gallons, fine with gelatin, lager for a week or two, and then filter the beer into a serving keg just like the big boys do. I'm using ALDC enzyme at the suggestion of JB from Austin Homebrew, so I can skip the D-rest altogether further shortening my fermentation time.

Target is 15-20 days grain to glass, 1.045 OG equivalent, ~10 IBUs.

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I want to know how it turns out. I am also lacking a "lagerator" at this time. It would be ideal if you could run parallel samples. One on your process, one with a traditional process and one where you just let the temp run wild and see what happens.
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My kegerator is full, so the 'control' batch will have to wait until I can steal some lagerator space from another brewer. (Looks at Soperbrew.. )
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Is there any way to insulate your "fermentation chamber"?
Putting styrofoam all around the sides top and bottom, kind of like a picnic cooler, would hold the temp bit better.?
I do all of my lagers in the winter, lagering temp usually isn't a problem here in Canada.
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I bought a second 32 gallon can so I can add a blanket to one can and nest the other one inside to provide limited insulation. We'll see how that goes.
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Sacc, (if I can call you Sacc )

There are a few guys in our brew club that have had very good success doing what you're planning. Apparently Wyeast California lager and Munich lager yeasts are very capable at warmer temps and don't produce a lot of off flavours.

I can send you a link to an article in one of our newsletters if you'd like. Suffice to say you're on the right track. Best of luck
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Sacc, (if I can call you Sacc )

There are a few guys in our brew club that have had very good success doing what you're planning. Apparently Wyeast California lager and Munich lager yeasts are very capable at warmer temps and don't produce a lot of off flavours.

I can send you a link to an article in one of our newsletters if you'd like. Suffice to say you're on the right track. Best of luck
Everybody calls me Sacc. Good to hear this has been done before, just never read about it. Any pointers are appreciated!
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Here you go, it's the April 2008 edition of the Worthouse News that has the article I wrote about.

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Oh boy is this thread Great!!!
Thanks Sacc for the legwork!!! http://www.marcresearch.com/blogs/merrill/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/flounder_animal_house_1c.jpg
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if this does turn out a bit estery, you could try going with 55-60 degrees with a really clean ale yest, like us-05 and then lager. It'd be a really slow ferment, but it should be really really clean as well.


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