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06-23-2007, 07:36 AM
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Danstar say do not use a starter. For big beers proper rehydration can have some benefits and get a quicker start but there is no harm just sprinkling the dried yeast on top of the wort.
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06-24-2007, 02:17 AM
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Dry yeast should not be pitched using a starter as the manufacturer has gone to alot of trouble to prepare your yeast for fermentation that you will loose the benefit of if you pitch it into a starter first. Also the yeast #'s are much higher in a packet of dry yeast then in liquid yeast so you need less. If you use Mr Malty's calculator ( http://www.mrmalty.com/calc/calc.html) you only need one 11.5g packet of dry yeast to pitch a 5 gal batch of up to 1.059 gravity. Only in bigger beers would you need to pitch another packet.
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06-24-2007, 01:06 PM
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I use dry yeast all the time, never have used a starter and has always worked well for me.
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06-24-2007, 03:18 PM
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I've used Safale US-56 on several batches and Brewferm Blanche on several as well, I've been very pleased with both. The Brewferm in particular has been very good. I have a honey wheat that I made with it that tastes spectacular when I stir up some of the sediment in the bottle and pour it on top of the head.
Whenever I use dry I boil 2 cups of water first, cool that to 90 degrees or so and then pitch my yeast in to rehydrate for 15-30 minutes. I continue to chill the slurry after pitching so that it's temp and the temp of my wort are within a few degrees of each other.
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06-24-2007, 03:46 PM
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Has anyone tried re-pitching onto a yeast cake from dry yeast..?
Just curious. I know the yeast is cheap but it would make things a little easier.
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06-24-2007, 04:34 PM
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Location: Nebraska
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From what I have read, yes you can pitch onto a yeast cake leftover from a dry yeast batch. At this point, yeast is yeast. Dry yeast has been 'formulated' to do better without a starter, just a rehydrating and maybe a little proofing.
Liquid yeast needs to grow in population, and also adjust its cell walls so that the introduction of a high gravity wort doesn't stall it. Dry yeast as I understand it has already been subjected to some higher gravities then its quickly dried. So it expects the wort.
That's at least how I understand it.
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06-24-2007, 04:50 PM
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Location: Columbia, SC
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I always use dry yeast, and I have had great results with it. It's usually Nottingham, but I tried a hefe with some Brewferm Blanche, which I just bottled yesterday. I tasted some of the beer from the half bottle that I had left over, and it tasted great. And yes, you can pitch onto a dry yeast cake. I brewed a dunkelweiss and just poured it on top of the cake from the hefe. Fermentation did not take off as quickly as I had expected, but I'm glad I rigged a blowoff tube because when I got up this morning the jar of sanitizer was nearly full of kraeusen. The room that I have my primary in smells like bananas....mmm! Dry yeast is definitely a good thing. 
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06-25-2007, 04:27 PM
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Location: Chickasha, OK.
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Nottinghams require rehydration, or at least that's what they write on the package. I have only used dry yeast in all my brews. So much easier and cheaper. I can't believe that my brews will taste 100% better if I switch to a liquid yeast. Better some maybe, but not drastic. One day I plan to try that but until then, by brews are simply awesome tasting and everyone that has tried it has said the same thing.
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06-26-2007, 02:32 AM
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At the first of the year I decided to limit my ale production primarly to one strand of dried yeast and push it to its limitations. The two obvious choices were Nottingham and Safale 56, purchased two packets of each for initial testing.
Like most, cost was a major factor but even more was simplicity. My objective these days is to make simple cost effective good beer. I listen to Jamil all the time and very rarely does he mention dried yeast and felt he was doing an unjustice, took a little time to realize this was not the case. His teachings are details that win awards and not always just what makes good beer. So on with my mission.
I started with Nottingham. The first packet was pitched straight into the wort and a little into a starter. The starter was built up and then split into smaller flasks for later starters. The initial pitch was used for a couple repitches with no ill effect. I made a starter from my reserve stock and repitched that two times, again no ill effects. 10 batches 6 months later still have yeast in storage from the initial package. I wanted to push the limit and keep repitching but was satisfied with what I had, really want to move onto the Safale 56.
Overall I am very happy with my results. Nottingham finished quicker than previous batches with liquid but did not seem quite as clean. Nothing that would define it as a bad beer.
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