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Old 01-17-2013, 11:29 PM   #1
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Default Are there any hops you actually dislike?

After brewing enough hoppy beers, most of us come to form opinions about certain hop varieties. Based on conversations with brewers online and in real life, I've noticed that Simcoe and Chinook are especially polarizing. Ironically, it can be difficult to find a well-regarded commercial IPA that doesn't contain at least one of the two hops. For some time, I was in the Simcoe-hating camp, but I don't think I can sustain this belief any longer, considering how many of the commercial IPAs I like contain a lot of Simcoe (e.g., Alpine Duet, Sculpin). Either my tastes have changed, or my negative experiences were based on oxidized or otherwise poor examples of the hop. This change of heart has made me curious how strongly you all believe in your hop preferences, and how you justify them.

1. Are there any hops you categorically dislike (will not use in any beer)?
2. If so, do you dislike all commercial examples of beers that contain these hops; or, at least, do you feel that the beers would be better without them?

For reference, here's a list of the hops in some popular IPAs I pulled from The Mad Fermentationist and added to:

Alpine Duet - Simcoe and Amarillo

Alpine Hoppy Birthday - Pacific Jade, Centennial, Amarillo, Columbus, Nelson Sauvin, Citra, and Simcoe.

Alpine Nelson - Nelson Sauvin and Southern Cross

Alpine Pure Hoppiness - Hallertau, Hersbrucker, Tomahawk, Cascade and Centennial

Ballast Point Sculpin - Mash hops: Simcoe, Boil: CTZ, Chinook, Cascade, Northern Brewer, Centennial, Galena, Amarillo, Dry Hop: Amarillo & Simcoe. For a 5 gallon batch dry hop with about 3 oz of each.

Bell's Hopslam - Hersbrucker, Centennial, Glacier, Vanguard, and Crystal in the kettle, and then dry hopped with Simcoe.

Bear Republic Racer 5 - Chinook, Cascade, Columbus, Centennial

Captain Lawrence Captain's Reserve - Columbus, Chinook, and Cascade

Cigar City Jai Alai - Kettle hops: Ahtanum, Columbus, Cascade, Amarillo, and Centennial. Dry hopped with Simcoe.

Coast The Boy King - Citra, Chinook, Nugget, Cascade, Centennial and Columbus.

Firestone Walker Double Jack - Bittering: Warrior, Columbus; Late Kettle: Cascade, and Centennial;
Dry Hops: Amarillo, Cascade, Centennial, and Simcoe

Fat Head's Head Hunter - Simcoe, Columbus, and Cascade

Firestone Walker Union Jack - Bittering: Warrior, Simcoe; Late Kettle: Cascade, Centennial; Dry Hops: Amarillo, Cascade, Centennial, Chinook, Simcoe

Flying Fish Exit 16 - FW: Citra, Boil: Columbus, 5 min: Cenntenial: 3 min: Simcoe, WP: Citra, First DH: 50% chinook, 50% Citra, Second DH: 75% Citra, 25% Columbus

Green Flash West Coast IPA: Simcoe, Columbus, Centennial, Cascade

Hill Farmstead Abner - Chinook, Citra, Columbus, Simcoe, and Warrior

Hill Farmstead Ephraim - Centennial, Chinook, Columbus, Simcoe, and Warrior

Hill Farmstead Double Galaxy - Galaxy

Kern River Citra Double IPA - Nugget to bitter, Citra in the kettle, and Citra and Amarillo dry hop

New Belgium Ranger IPA - Chinook, Simcoe, Cascade

Russian River Pliny the Elder - Kettle hop extract, Simcoe, Columbus, Centennial. Dry Hop Simcoe, Columbus, and Centennial.

Russian River Pliny the Younger - Bittered with extract, Amarillo and Simcoe (plus others?) in the boil.
Dry Hop Schedule
DH 1 Simcoe, Amarillo, Centennial for one week and remove
DH 2 Amarillo, Centennial for one week and remove
DH 3 Simcoe for one week and remove
DH 4 Simcoe, Amarillo Dry Hop in Keg

Sierra Nevada Celebration: Cascade, Centennial, Chinook

Sierra Nevada Ruthless Rye: Bravo, Chinook, Citra, & New Proprietary Variety

Sierra Nevada Hoptimum: Magnum, Simcoe, New Proprietary Variety

Sierra Nevada Torpedo: Magnum, Crystal, Citra

Smuttynose Big A IPA - 2008: Nugget, Cascade, Centennial, Crystal, Chinook, Sterling. 2006: Warrior, Cascade, Centennial, Crystal, Horizon, Amarillo, Ahtanum

Smuttynose "Finestkind" - Bittering: Magnum; Flavoring: Simcoe, Centennial, Santiam; Dry hops: Amarillo

Southern Tier Unearthly IPA - Kettle Hops: Chinook and Cascade, Hop Back: Styrian Golding, Dry Hopped: Cascade, Centennial, and Chinook

Stone IPA: Columbus, Chinook, Centennial

Stone Ruination: Columbus & Centennial

Surly 16 Grit/Abrasive - Warrior, Citra (Previously CTZ bittering extract, Amarillo, and Columbus. Before that, kettle hopped with CTZ extract, Amarillo and Glacier hops. Twice dry-hopped with Glacier and Amarillo).

Surly Furious - Warrior, Ahtanum, Simcoe, and Amarillo

Three Floyds Dreadnaught - Warrior, Simcoe, Centennial, and Cascade

Three Floyds Zombie Dust - Citra

Town Hall Masala Mama - Amarillo, Cascade, Centennial, and Mt. Hood

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There are only two varieties I can think of right now that I dislike. I don't like fuggles, because I think they taste like dirt. And I don't care for citra, which is far to "tropical fruit" for me- it screams MANGO to me and reminds me of Juicy Fruit gum.

I don't mind the citra in Sierra Nevada's Torpedo though. I think it goes ok with the other hops, so that I don't get too much tropical fruit.

Fuggles, though, I can smell and taste a mile away and just don't care for it.

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Summit. Apparently there are several suppliers. I lost track which one is which, but it can have a horrible flavor depending on which one it is from.

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I really dislike some of the high alpha ones, especially nugget. Most of the popular IPA hops either taste like pinesol, bong water or cat piss to me but I think thats because they always end up in the crazy over hoppy beers and I'd probably like them in moderation. ...Fuggles is awesome in dark beers in moderation but I agree with Yooper if the beer has a big late addition of it.

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I'm sure it is a good hop, but I've yet to make a really good beer with Styrian Goldings. I think I need to find it a good dance partner.

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I can take any of the "Noble Hops" in small doses only. I'm primarily a fan of American and "C" hops.

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I don't like that new one "Belma."

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Zythos. It's supposed to take the place of centennial and cascade in the hop shortage, or so I'm told. Holy crap it's gross.

That's it though. Even though fuggles smells like sweaty feet, I like it in an american brown ale.

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I am not a big fan of citra anymore. Have been using it to bitter with because its clean, high alpha and I have like 3 pounds of it. It's just no good or flavor or aroma for me.

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There are only two varieties I can think of right now that I dislike. I don't like fuggles, because I think they taste like dirt. And I don't care for citra, which is far to "tropical fruit" for me- it screams MANGO to me and reminds me of Juicy Fruit gum.

I don't mind the citra in Sierra Nevada's Torpedo though. I think it goes ok with the other hops, so that I don't get too much tropical fruit.

Fuggles, though, I can smell and taste a mile away and just don't care for it.
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