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Old 06-04-2007, 05:47 PM   #1
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i'm getting tired of waiting for my beer to take 10-15 minutes to syphon whenever i transfer. its especially annoying because seldom does the syphon ever take out all of the beer on its own without having to tip the primary. you have to either start the syphon again, which is difficult with so little beer and so much sediment or toss it all.

its annoying cleaning out the syphon hose since its so awkward.

i think im going to try pouring it slowly from the primary to a secondary in my bathtub with a large funnel + plastic tube, maybe 1 inch in diameter. this should speed things up dramatically.

pros:

- quicker
- less difficult to clean/sanitize
- never worry about losing beer at the bottom of primary

cons:

- possibly more exposure to air, but this can be mitigated to be insignificant (using a smaller funnel and pouring more slowly could help)
- possibly overpour beer due to heavy weight etc (having help, or leading against the tub wall could help this easily
- possible contamination of primary sidewall (a quick sanitizing white should avert this, but if there's contamination in the primary already, this is the least of your worries)

thoughts?

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Old 06-04-2007, 05:51 PM   #2
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Syphon.

Use the carboy cap method.

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Old 06-04-2007, 06:01 PM   #3
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You don't want to agitate it that much. Imho, use two carboy caps, two racking canes and suck start the siphon.

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Old 06-04-2007, 06:08 PM   #4
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I use buckets with a spigot. I rack directly to kegs after the bucket sits a few days at 39 degrees. Takes no time at all.

You could also get a bigger siphon hose. Go for the larger Autosiphon. It uses 1/2 inch I.D. hose.

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Old 06-04-2007, 06:25 PM   #5
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Pouring fermented beer = oxidation.

I know some people don't care for it, but I love my autosiphon.

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Old 06-04-2007, 06:35 PM   #6
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10 minutes doesn't seem that long to me. I tilt the fermentor a couple of days before the transfer and all the trub slides to one end and the siphon grabs is from the opposite end.

Nothing that I have read from more experienced brewers indicates that pouring is a good idea.

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Old 06-04-2007, 06:36 PM   #7
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I vote for auto-siphon as well.

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Old 06-04-2007, 06:37 PM   #8
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Grab the latest BYO and wait it out. Sorry, but if you don't have the patience to wait ten minutes for a carboy to siphon, you don't have the patience to make the best beer you can.

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Old 06-04-2007, 06:46 PM   #9
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Get a large autosiphon. They have 1/2" racking canes. Then you get your 1/2" ID tubing. You can siphon 5 gallons in about 2 minutes. Pouring out of primary is going to oxydize the hell out of the beer. Not only that but as soon as you tilt the fermenter, your trub is going to unsettle and start remixing back into solution.

Now, you have to clean out the primary anyway right? Ok, so once you get the bulk of trub out, fill with some hot water and start pumping that water through the autosiphon and tubing. Yeah, you can circulate water through your tubing from the bucket, back into the bucket using an autosiphon. That's how I clean mine. You do the same to sanitize it before racking.

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10 minutes is not a long enough time to worry about and end up oxidizing your beer, especially considering all the other time and effort you've put into it. if you're so concerned about it, don't use a secondary. Now you've not only NOT ruined your beer, but you've saved yourself about an hour, not just 10 minutes.

cleaning out the tubes is also easy. just twist it up in your sink and run water through the hose. once you get it shooting good out the other end, turn it around and do the same from that end. boom, done. as long as you clean your tubes right after you use them, nothing will stick inside and they'll always be clean.

that goes for all your equipment. clean up right after use and it's no big whoop.

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