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Old 04-03-2014, 03:08 PM   #21
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Being a Hophead, I’ve only recently come to truly appreciate a good pilsner. The beer that turned my head is Firestone Walkers Pivo Pils. Consequently, I decided to try a clone recipe I found for Pivo Pils. However, after reviewing several other pilsner recipes, I’m thinking that I’d add one more ounce of spalt hops at flameout. Additionally another change is that I’m forced to use "Select Spalt" hops which are perhaps an additional .5-.75% greater AA than listed in the clone recipe. I would appreciate the collective wisdom regarding adding the additional hops at flameout. The recipe is as follows;
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10 lbs German Pilsner 2-row
1 lb Vienna Malt
8 oz. lb Carapils
Hops
1/2 oz. Magnum 14%a, 60 minutes
1 oz. Spalt 4%a, 30 minutes
1 oz. Spalt 4%a, 15 minutes
Yeast: White Labs WLP800 Pilsner Lager Yeast
Dry-Hops: 1 oz. Saphir
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:17 PM   #22
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Check the BJCP guidelines for a German Pilsner. It's a very hop forward beer by those guidelines. I agree that the pilsner malt needs to be showcased, but having a strong (noble) hop element is true to style.
Bohemian Pilsners are typically more malt forward, but still have noticeable hop charateristics. I'm sure this was what Philip was referencing.
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Check the BJCP guidelines for a German Pilsner. It's a very hop forward beer by those guidelines. I agree that the pilsner malt needs to be showcased, but having a strong (noble) hop element is true to style.
As per BJCP guidelines for a German Pilsner

"Hop bitterness dominates taste and continues through the finish and lingers into the aftertaste. Hop flavor can range from low to high but should only be derived from German noble hops. Clean, no fruity esters, no diacetyl."

So, bitterness, yes, but flavor and aroma can be all over the place. Balance is the key

Of the beers they list as good examples, Bitburger is not particularly bitter or strongly hop flavored. Jever is QUITE bitter.

I still think we need a new word to describe lots of hop flavor and aroma, to distinguish that from bitterness. I see/hear the word hoppy, and can't tell what a person means. I've met people who say they love hoppy beers, but then complain about something being too bitter
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