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Old 08-08-2009, 12:46 AM   #1
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this is my first attempt at this style. after much research, here is what i have. i am going for a malty beer with a slightly estery quality. i want yeast/malt on the front, then spicy, spicy hop flavor, quickly finishing into slight caramel/malt finish with a hint of spice to leave you wanting more.

6 lbs dingemeanns pilsner
4 lbs vienna
1.5 lbs munich
4 oz chocolate
4 oz caramunich

mash schedule:

122 F for 25 min.
pull decoction and bring to boil over 20 min.
raise main mash to 153 F for 40 min

sparge and bring to boil (60 min total boil)



hop schedule;

1 oz Saaz for 50 min
1/2 oz Saaz for 40 min
1/2 oz Saaz for 10 min
4 2" long cinnamon sticks for 10 min


pitch white labs 820 at 60 F, wait for fermentation to start (24 hours max)

lower to 52 F for 5-8 days

raise to 65 F for 2 days

slowly lower to 38 over 5 days

keep at 38 for 3-5 weeks

i would love to hear ideas from marzen/oktober lovers.

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cinnamon??

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Well, that's certainly an interesting recipe. I'm sure it'll taste great, but will probably be "out of bounds" by the BJCP guidelines... if that means anything to you. I say brew it! What's your expected OG and IBU?

My Oktoberfests are a bit more restrained, but definitely heavy on the malt and at the big end of the style. I also favor lagering at 32-34 deg. F. to drop out as much yeast and other stuff as possible for a clean end product.

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Pitch lower than you intend to ferment for a clean lager profile. I would also wait to add any cinnamon until secondary/keg/bottling time. If you haven't done it before, then you really don't know how it will come through. 4 sticks seems like way too much to me.

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"all i wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi. and she wouldn't give it to me!"

the cinnamon was my buddy's idea. i hate adding **** to beer, but he is a noob and wants a "spicy" beer. i tried to tell him that you can get spice form hops, but he didn't get it. i will omit the cinnamon. to achieve a more subltle beer would i omit the chocolate and the caramunich?

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est OG is 1.061 Fg 1.015 IBU 20-25 depending on the saaz

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I make a marzen, basically my house beer, that is equal parts vienna, munich, and pilsner, + 1pound of caramunich. I shoot for 1.057 with 27 ibus from hallertau, tettnang, or mt. hood, whatever I have on hand at the time. I prefer it with wlp 838 southern german lager but it comes out quite well with wlp830 german lager.

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The chocolate malt might lend an interesting, if unconventional, note to the beer. Could be interesting, especially with the Saaz.

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is the caramunich redundant? also, i don't want the chocolate to mask the lager process.

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you definitely want the caramunich in there, its almost a hallmark of the style if you ask me.

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