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5 Is Not Enough 10-26-2007 04:00 AM

Moving up to 25 Gal batches
 
I've been brewing 5 gal batches, but find that 5 gallons just don't last long enough. I've decided to make the investment for some serious equipment. I have put together my ideas, but was hoping maybe somebody would have some ideas that could save me money or headache.
Also, worth noting, I will be beginning All Grain batches next spring, but will be using extract for the first batch or two.
My shopping list:
Update International 160qt aluminum stock pot w/ lid, I add ball valve($200)
Bayou Classic SP10 20PSI propane burner($40)
Homemade counterflow chiller, probably 30' x 3/8"($70)
37.5 gallon food grade polyethylene tank for fermenter, custom fittings for drain, airlock...($100)
5 gallon pin-lock (coke style) kegs, force carbonating what fits in the fridge, maybe sugar priming what doesn't(?)(2 taps, 2 faucets, 10 kegs - $430)
33lb Muntons bulk extract syrup($60), steeping grains, maybe some additional DME in some recipes
Hops- undecided whether or not to buy the bulk (1lb-$10) for common bittering hops...
Not sure how much yeast will be needed for pitching the large batch, but probably use Muntons Gold, I guess packets(?)
Will probably us promash to calculate the ingredients for the bigger batches
Anything I'm missing, please let me know.
Also, for 25gal, will a converted 100qt cooler work for a MLT later?
Will the SP 10 bring the 31 gallons I'll need up to boil in a reasonable time?
I assume that the counterflow chiller will be my best bet?
Will a rectangular shaped PE tank cause any complications?
BTW, I'm new to HBT and would appreciate any help or insight! Thanks!

Glibbidy 10-26-2007 04:13 AM

Go AG immediately, and start making ten gallon batches, with the idea of futureproofing your rig.

98EXL 10-26-2007 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glibbidy
Go AG immediately, and start making ten gallon batches, with the idea of futureproofing your rig.


+1

I just did my first AG....went better than I thought, next round will be a lot better and easier

Ol' Grog 10-26-2007 01:55 PM

Brewing that large is going to take some patience and more time. Boiling 25 gallons of water is going to eat up a lot of propane. Why not just brew more 5 gallon batches? If your going to invest that much money, just spend it on a simpler 10 gallon AG rig like the one shown in this issue of Brew magazine.

Liquidicem 10-26-2007 02:03 PM

I don't even want to think about how long it would take to cool 25 gallons with a 30' IC.

I would take it in baby steps. 5 gallons to 25 is a huge jump. Start with 10 gallons and AG and see how it goes.

BierMuncher 10-26-2007 02:19 PM

Okay…I’ll say it.

You’re bonkers.

Ask yourself a few questions:

What beer in the world could you possibly love so much that you want to have 25 gallons of it?
What level of confidence do you have that you’d sink that much time and money in one 25-gallon batch?
Once you do two batches…your cornies are full. Are you then done brewing for two years?
How fast can you drink 25 gallons of the same beer?

Okay…end rant.

Now, brewing massive single batches with so little storage capacity (10-cornies) is kind of counter to most peoples approach on this forum. We like to talk about our next recipe. Our next style. Tweaks to our next brew process. I brew 10-gallon batches and brew most every weekend…rarely the same recipe twice in a row. We’re all about different beer styles and recipes and brewing what we can’t get our hands on (Stone IPA).

I’d say you go all grain and at most…do 10-gallon batches.

If you pay attention throughout this forum, Monday mornings are chalk full of “I think I mashed too high”…”I missed my target gravity”…”I had a stuck sparge”…comments. Fortunately, since these are 5 or 10 gallon batches, we can make adjustments and try again next week.

Sorry for ranting, but I’d just hate to see you miss your original gravity target by 10 points and be stuck with 25 gallons of disappointment.

Cookiebaggs 10-26-2007 02:19 PM

Your not gonna want to jump headfirst into all grain starting with 25 gallon batches that's for sure! Mistakes or mishaps would be costly.

IMHO, develop your skills and procedures with 5 & 10 gallon batches and ramp it up from there if you feel the need to increase your batch size.

JoeRags 10-26-2007 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cookiebaggs
Your not gonna want to jump headfirst into all grain starting with 25 gallon batches that's for sure! Mistakes or mishaps would be costly.


He's talking 25 gallon Extract batches...

Dont do it. Heed the advice of the elders here and go AG. :mug:

Cookiebaggs 10-26-2007 03:00 PM

I was responding to this.

Quote:

Also, worth noting, I will be beginning All Grain batches next spring, but will be using extract for the first batch or two.

That being said, I wouldn't want to pay the ingredient bill for a 25 gallon extract batch on top of the equipment cost to brew that big of a batch. :eek:

Donasay 10-26-2007 03:27 PM

If you are going to go all grain and 25 gallons, I think you would be the ideal candidate to convert one of these 100 quart coolers in to a mash tun. That could help you out a lot in your all grain conversion.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FAJD12/ref=nosim/?tag=nextag-sg-20&creative=380333&creativeASIN=B000FAJD12&linkCod e=asn


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