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Old 02-22-2011, 08:20 PM   #1
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Is it common practice to lager in a plastic pale or should I transfer to a carboy prior to lagering? I'm nervous about leaving it in there for 4 weeks. My recipe doesn't mention transferring to a carboy..

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P.S. This is my first attempt at a Pilsner! I have a fridge to work with!

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Old 02-22-2011, 08:22 PM   #2
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No worries about lagering in your fermenter (plastic pale). It's definitely more important to just lager it, than to worry about the container type (plastic, glass, primary fermenter, etc).

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Old 02-23-2011, 12:02 AM   #3
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Why would it matter if it is in a bucket or carboy? I've never lagered before, but I've sure make a **** load of ale in buckets and carboys. I personally prefer my buckets. I seem to make less mess. What's the difference other than the fermentation temps?

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The worry is that plastic does not completely provide a barrier to oxygen. Over time, oxygen can penetrate the plastic and oxidize the beer. I've been concerned about lagering in plastic buckets for this reason. However, oxidation reactions are also a function of temperature, and at lagering temperatures should occur very slowly. I'm not an expert on it, so I can't provide details on what rate oxygen penetration and oxidation reactions occur. However, the last lager I did was done completely in a plastic bucket for 2 months (1 month fermentation and 1 month lager) and it tastes great, no oxidation detectable.

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Isn't the debate over oxygen permeating through plastic when you use bottles like those from the drinking water chillers and not Better Bottles or plastic fermentation buckets?

I had a German Altbier, yes an ale, but still, in a plastic primary for 8 weeks and it was one of the best beers I've made. I have a Rauchbier that's been in the plastic primary for the initial fermentation, a 3 day diacytel rest, and now is lagering between 41-45* and isn't showing any signs of doing anything but being awesome.

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I was more worried about oxygen getting to the beer because buckets aren't airtight unless you snap the lid. Even then.. not as air tight as a carboy with airlock.

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I use a bucket for my ales, but use a carboy for my lagers. I feel it's safer for some reason.

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The worry isn't the permeability of the ale pail plastic- it's the wide headspace of a bucket that could be an issue.

Keeping a beer in primary for a few weeks is ok in a bucket- the wide headspace tends to be filled with co2 during fermentation. But since the beer is finished before lagering, I don't like the idea of lagering in a bucket at all. A carboy would minimize headspace, which is important after fermentation ends.

I leave my ales in primary for quite a while, but I'm more finicky with the lagers. I would never lager on the yeast cake. I would always rack to a carboy after the diacetyl rest, and lager in that carboy.

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The worry isn't the permeability of the ale pail plastic- it's the wide headspace of a bucket that could be an issue.

Keeping a beer in primary for a few weeks is ok in a bucket- the wide headspace tends to be filled with co2 during fermentation. But since the beer is finished before lagering, I don't like the idea of lagering in a bucket at all. A carboy would minimize headspace, which is important after fermentation ends.

I leave my ales in primary for quite a while, but I'm more finicky with the lagers. I would never lager on the yeast cake. I would always rack to a carboy after the diacetyl rest, and lager in that carboy.
I have a lager going right now that finished the diacetyl rest on Sunday or Monday and is down to 41-45*F now. Still alright to rack to a carboy and then let it sit for 3-6 weeks?
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I have a lager going right now that finished the diacetyl rest on Sunday or Monday and is down to 41-45*F now. Still alright to rack to a carboy and then let it sit for 3-6 weeks?
Sure! I like to lager one week for each 8-10 points of OG at 34 degrees. So, for an OG of 1.060, I'd lager for 6-8 weeks.
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