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hoppedup 07-26-2006 12:14 AM

how noticable of a difference in the final product by......
 
how noticiable of a difference in the final product is there between boiling say a 1.5 - 2gallon wort and filling up the rest of a 5gal fermentor with water, and just boiling all 5 gallons of wort?

Beer Snob 07-26-2006 12:43 AM

Hmmm... well generall I boil about 2.5 to 3 gallons. You want to boil as much as you can. In a 5 gallon brewpot that usually means around 2.5 to 3 galons. What size of a brewpot are you using?

the_bird 07-26-2006 01:09 AM

Remember, if you do a full boil you'll have to take steps to aerate your wort priot to pitching the yeast,otherwise the yeasties won't have any O2 to consumer. With a partial boil (which is all I'm capable of doing until I get a propane burner and a bigger pot), you don't have to worry as much, you can just be a little splashy when you add the top-off water and you're OK.

Theoretically, a full boil will make the beer much better, but I'm not sure how much difference it really makes when working with extract. With AG, it's not optional.

Beer Snob 07-26-2006 01:21 AM

Sorry I misunderstood the question. I can't see noticing a difference at all. I suppose some might say that there is a difference. Countess awards have been won without doing full boils. What are you doing now? There seems to be so many other things that would bring about a certain difference in taste that doing a full boil on extract does not seem worth it.

Catfish 07-26-2006 01:27 AM

It is a very good next step to take. The full volume reduces scorching the wort and boilovers. It also increases hop utilization. I think it makes a considerably better beer.
More than aeration (you can still do the splashy slpashy method for full volume boils) you need to be concerned with chilling your wort. You will need to invest in, or make, a chiller. You Do Not want to carry the 5.5 gallons of boiling hot wort around your looking for a bucket of ice.

hoppedup 07-26-2006 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Beer Snob
Sorry I misunderstood the question. I can't see noticing a difference at all. I suppose some might say that there is a difference. Countess awards have been won without doing full boils. What are you doing now? There seems to be so many other things that would bring about a certain difference in taste that doing a full boil on extract does not seem worth it.

well ive always brewed a hybrid of extract and grain beer. the grains being used primarily for character rather than for producing fermentable sugars. well if its not going to make too much a difference than ill just keep doing what im doing which is 2 gal wort and 3 gal springwater in fermenter. (i dont use springwater for the boil or steeping grains tho)

i just got the idea cause Sams Club has these 38qt turkey deep fryers with propane burner stand and everything for like $40! I guess i could still get one for the turkey tho :)

cweston 07-26-2006 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hoppedup
i just got the idea cause Sams Club has these 38qt turkey deep fryers with propane burner stand and everything for like $40! I guess i could still get one for the turkey tho :)

IMHO, the main benefits of full boils lie in the ability to do AG or significant mash-size partial mash brews. I personally would not have bothered investing in a pot large enough to do full boils if I didn't intend to do AG.

That said, there are some advantages to doing full boils with extract brews: namely, lighter color (from less carmelization) and higher hops utilization (which would mean a modest cost savings, especially if you brew a lot of high IBU beers).

That said, an outdoot burner plus a 38 Qt pot for $40 sounds like a great deal, assuming the quality is acceptable. If you have any thoughts of doing AG in the future, I'd seriously consider snapping that up. Brewing outdoors can be very enjoyable in any case--in good weather, anyway.

homebrewer_99 07-26-2006 07:54 PM

I've been boiling 1-2 gals and adding filtered tap water for years.:D

david_42 07-27-2006 12:00 AM

If you adjust the bittering hops, very little.

Beer Snob 07-27-2006 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hoppedup
well ive always brewed a hybrid of extract and grain beer. the grains being used primarily for character rather than for producing fermentable sugars. well if its not going to make too much a difference than ill just keep doing what im doing which is 2 gal wort and 3 gal springwater in fermenter. (i dont use springwater for the boil or steeping grains tho)

That was the greatest thing I did that completely changed for the better the taste of my beer. Use grain. Rich has had a lot of luck with mini mashes, but even with that I dont think he is not doing full boils. This might be a real good next step for you actually if you want to do something outside of steeping and dont want to do AG.


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