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Old 01-25-2008, 09:05 PM   #21
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A starter is great and I do it every time as well, Just dont over pitch. You need the yeast to grow and go through there natural phases and if your lag time is really short that is bad for the yeast. The Brewing network had a great show on this when Chris White from white labs was on there. Mr. Malty can help you with the pitch rate.

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Old 01-25-2008, 09:41 PM   #22
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Guys, this thread is 2 1/2 years old!
Yeah don't get all over anyone about what they did 2.5 years ago.
2.5 years ago there was only unshoveled snowy uphill yeast and both ways!


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Old 01-26-2008, 04:37 AM   #23
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I'm one of them!!

I highly recommend starters. Not only for the yeast count, but the reduced lag time and knowing my yeast is good.

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Old 01-26-2008, 04:45 AM   #24
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I'm one of them!!

I highly recommend starters. Not only for the yeast count, but the reduced lag time and knowing my yeast is good.
If your primary is sealed with an airlock, does it matter if it takes 3 hour or 24 hours to start fermenting?? If your not making a "big beer" does a starter really matter? I think not.
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Old 01-26-2008, 05:02 AM   #25
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Default I'm only 45 gallons into this

and last beer I brewed, the smack pack didn't get the fermentation going, so I pitched a dry yeast on top, which started the fermentation almost immediately.

I am making starters from now on.

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Old 01-26-2008, 01:40 PM   #26
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If your not making a "big beer" does a starter really matter? I think not.
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Guys, this thread is 2 1/2 years old!
yes the thread is old, but when ppl start NEW threads asking questions that have already been answered they get chewed by other members. AND when i read an old thread that suggests one make a starter when using dry yeast i feel that is necessary that i interject that that is bad advice.
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If your primary is sealed with an airlock, does it matter if it takes 3 hour or 24 hours to start fermenting?? If your not making a "big beer" does a starter really matter? I think not.
Just because the lid is on doesn't mean wild yeast or mold spores have not made it in prior. The reduced lag time makes sure that the intended yeast wins.
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Old 01-29-2008, 07:28 PM   #29
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holy lag time batman!

ok now that i have A LOT more experience under my belt - here's the sort answer to my original question:

ALWAYS make a starter unless A) you are using dry yeast and in those circumstances hydrate the yeast B) you are cold pitching a known viable yeast slurry you have recently collected

otherwise make a starter. that's my recomendation. a smack pack imo is not enough for most 5 gallons of beer.

even with my 15 gallon fermenter that is locked up airtight - i still do not want any lag time. lag time can be dangerous and it frustrates the hell outta me.

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If your primary is sealed with an airlock, does it matter if it takes 3 hour or 24 hours to start fermenting?? If your not making a "big beer" does a starter really matter? I think not.
Because your wort is not sterile. There are a number of organisms in your wort in the fermenter that can spoil the wort if given enough time. However if you pitch enough yeast, the yeast outnumbers those other organisms and they quickly either kill off the other organisms or turn the environment into something hostile to the other organisms by converting sugar into alcohol.
Pitching enough yeast will also result in a cleaner beer with better attenuation as it reduces stress on the yeasts.
So yes a starter does matter.
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