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Old 09-10-2012, 12:34 PM   #11
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I don't put much credence in stuff "that I read", I prefer to try things myself and draw my own conclusions. My FWH hops steep for as long as it takes my kettle to come to a boil, never timed it and not really curious enough to start. All I can offer is that I have several recipes that only get a FWH and dry hop (no other bittering, flavor. or aroma additions) and these brews have a very smooth bitterness along with a huge hop flavor and aroma. Try it yourself and let us know what your findings are.

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Old 09-10-2012, 01:09 PM   #12
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>>All I can offer is that I have several recipes that only get a FWH and dry hop (no other bittering, flavor.

Does this mean that you don't use bittering hops, and instead FWH your flavor hops, leaving them in for the steeping and full 60 minute boil? What type of beer? I'm a little surprised that would be sufficient. I can see reducing bittering hoops, to make up for the increased bittering from the FWH, but none, hmmm.

Can you post these recipes?

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Old 09-10-2012, 01:18 PM   #13
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Correct, no bittering hops. Simply a FWH addition and the dryhop after fermentation is complete. Like I said.....I prefer to try things for myself and experiment as opposed to taking oft-repeated advice as gospel. (I also BIAB and no-chill, big surprise huh?)

I've been experimenting with this on some APA's, will post a recipe when I get home later tonight.

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>..I prefer to try things for myself and experiment as opposed to taking oft-repeated advice as gospel.

I agree. I will have to experiment with some small batches over time.

Thank you for your advice.

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Old 09-10-2012, 01:28 PM   #15
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Here's the latest recipe:

Type: All Grain
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.25 gal
Boil Size: 7.50 gal
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: BIAB_winpack
End of Boil Volume 6.25 gal Brewhouse Efficiency: 69.00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal Est Mash Efficiency 82.1 %
Fermentation: Ale, Single Stage

Ingredients

Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
9 lbs 8.0 oz Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 1 82.6 %
8.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 4.3 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 3 4.3 %
8.0 oz Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 4 4.3 %
8.0 oz Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 5 4.3 %
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [10.10 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 6 17.3 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [13.90 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 7 23.8 IBUs
1.0 pkg SafAle English Ale (DCL/Fermentis #S-04) [23.66 ml] Yeast 8 -
1.00 oz Citra [13.90 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [10.10 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 10 0.0 IBUs

Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.057 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.014 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.6 %
Bitterness: 41.0 IBUs Calories: 182.3 kcal/12oz
Est Color: 7.5 SRM

Mash Steps
Mash at 152F for 90 minutes
Mashout at 168F for 10 minutes

Notes
Used PacMan yeast, fermented at 65F.

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Old 09-10-2012, 02:25 PM   #16
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the FW hops, just the dry hops (Citra, Amarillo )

Never mind, I see them above the yeast, thanks.

0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [10.10 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 6 17.3 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [13.90 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 7 23.8 IBUs


That seems like a lot more IBUs than I'd expect from a FWH. I assume that bitterness is not as harsh.
I'd like to taste that.

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Old 09-10-2012, 02:27 PM   #17
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the FW hops, just the dry hops (Citra, Amarillo )
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [10.10 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 6 17.3 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [13.90 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 7 23.8 IBUs
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:22 AM   #18
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Why would you expect less bitterness from FWH? They go into the kettle, and the mash is runoff into the kettle (or the bag is pulled and hung to drain if BIABing), the kettle is then brought to a boil. The FWH stay in the entire length of the boil. They're going to isomerize the hop oils at least as much as a traditional 60min bittering charge, if not more.

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Old 09-12-2012, 12:03 PM   #19
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What BigRob said.....it's still a 60+ minute addition so you do get all the bittering. The benefits of the FWH is that the bittering "seems" less harsh but more importantly you get a flavor contribution from those hops similar to @ a 20 minute addition. I don't understand the science behind it but I know it works. (Maybe it's magic?)

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The numbers that beer smith software gives for fwh are much lower than a 60 minute. I wonder if I am doing something wrong or if the software assumes that you remove the hops before the boil.

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