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Old 01-16-2013, 05:06 AM   #31
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Here's one better for ya: read Stan Hieronymous' new book, "For the Love of Hops". He explains some new research that shows insights into HOW and WHY the FWH process does what it does. Better than a rule, b/c if you know the process you're more likely to accurately produce what you plan.
And also listen to his interview on the BN, he gets into some pretty interesting topics such as perceived bitterness and FWH
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:35 AM   #32
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And also listen to his interview on the BN, he gets into some pretty interesting topics such as perceived bitterness and FWH
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:50 PM   #33
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So let's say hypothetically I'm brewing a batch using a hop variety with 10% AA. The normal recipe calls for 1 oz for :60, 1 at :15 and one at knock out. If I wanted to use the same 3 ounces in this recipe and not increase the bitterness, how would I change the hop schedule?
Move the 15 min. addition to FWH. It will increase the measured bitterness, but not the way you perceive the bitterness.

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Also, if this were an extract batch, could you just heat it to 155 for :30 minutes or so before boiling and have it work the same as FWH?
That's what I do. I have a batch of extract waldo Lake amber on tap where that exact technique was used.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:31 PM   #34
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If I understand this correctly, Yooper moves the 60 minute to FWH, and Denny moves the 15 minute to FWH and still does the 60 minute?

I'm about ready to mash out a pale ale, trying to decide what to do. My recipe calls for all Cascade:
1 oz 60
1 oz 30
1.5 oz 5
1.5 oz 0
1 oz Dry hop

I'm thinking of:
1 oz FWH
No 60 min
1 oz 30 min
1.5 oz 5 min
2 oz steep after flameout
No dry hop

Critique?

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For me, that likely wouldn't give me the bitterness I was looking for. For Yooper, it's probably be great. And I always dry hop APA/AIPA.

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Old 01-18-2013, 04:43 PM   #36
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For me, that likely wouldn't give me the bitterness I was looking for. For Yooper, it's probably be great. And I always dry hop APA/AIPA.
Yes, Denny's right. I'd move the 30 minute addition, though- either to flavor hops for more flavor (15 minutes) or to 60 minutes for more bitterness depending on your preference. And I usually dryhop APAs as well, but I LOVE hops flavor and aroma!
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Yooper, I'm going to go with you on this one. I don't like harsh bitter but prefer lots of flavor and aroma. (just drank an IPA that tastes like grapefruit juice)

New plan
1 oz FWH
No 60 min
1.0 oz 15 min
1.5 oz 5 min
1.5 oz steep / whirlpool
1.0 oz Dry Hop

Going to lauter and add 1 oz right now.

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The Pliny the Elder clone recipe, which is all over the internet, shows us that you can brew a beer with no first-wort hops, an insane amount of early addition boil hops, along with huge amounts of late hops and dryhops yet still have a very pleasantly bitter beer that is not harsh by any means.

There are few set-in-stone answers when it comes to brewing a smooth beer with a decent amount of hops.

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Yooper, I'm going to go with you on this one. I don't like harsh bitter but prefer lots of flavor and aroma. (just drank an IPA that tastes like grapefruit juice)

New plan
1 oz FWH
No 60 min
1.0 oz 15 min
1.5 oz 5 min
1.5 oz steep / whirlpool
1.0 oz Dry Hop

Going to lauter and add 1 oz right now.
I brewed a similar ipa that came out like grapefriut juice. Just kicked the keg. All whole hops I got from victory brewing. Turned out really good. Only difference was a 60 min addition of cascade in addition to the fwh to get the ibus I was looking for.

Went light on the crystal malts. Quarter lb of c10 and honey malt each was it. Really helped it finish bright and refreshing. Went with a little sugar to help it finish around 1010.
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I bumped up the 15 min to 1.5 to get me back to 40 IBU. The grapefruit IPA beer was 100 IBU with Simcoe and Centennial. So hopefully all Cascade will not be too harsh. The sample I tasted had a light grapefruit, but so far tastes excellent

Thanks for the quick help!

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