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Old 03-04-2010, 03:29 PM   #1
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Default From First Stage to Second Stage fermentation

I just brewed my first batch of beer, an irish stout. I have read several books and have looked over this forum, but cannot figure out if letting air in when siphoning from fermenter 1 to fermenter 2 is aloud or not. Do i merely take the air lock out, stick the siphoning tube in where that was, and siphon into the carboy, or do i just pop the top off and siphon into the carboy. I have a couple of days before it is ready to transfer, i just don't want to screw it up.

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Old 03-04-2010, 03:58 PM   #2
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A couple of things:
1) you do have a racking cane, correct? You need one if you don't.
2)Pop the lid off and rack it over. Try not to splash it around too much. You do want to minimize oxygenation, but the small amount you'll introduce won't hurt.
To quote Byron Burch "Just remember, they were brewing beer thousand of years before they understoods bacteria. Take reasonable care, and you will be fine." Hope this helps - Dwain

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Old 03-04-2010, 04:03 PM   #3
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yes i have a racking cane, and siphon. I bought the deluxe kit from the local home brew store which came with both. Thanks for the help, since i am new to this, i am unsure what will complete destroy my beer, and what wont hurt it too much.

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Old 03-04-2010, 04:12 PM   #4
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Just about everything you can do won't hurt the beer very much.

Here's a very good thread: What are some of the mistakes you made...where your beer still turned out great?

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Old 03-04-2010, 07:02 PM   #5
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That fact that you are aware that you need to minimize the amount of splashing/churning while racking means you probably aren't going to do anything serious enough to actually ruin it. I think you have to try pretty hard to make it undrinkable.

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Old 03-04-2010, 07:05 PM   #6
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Here's the solution. Don't secondary the beer.

There's no need to. Just let it sit on the cake for another week or two. Its black anyways, so racking it into another vessel does nothing for clarity. You are only introducing more chances for infection and aeration. The only time I put a beer in a secondary for actual fermentation is when I racked a saison into my dedicated sour container to get infected with Brett B. Every other beer just stays in the primary for 30+ days.

I think racking to secondary just allow brewers the opportunity to tinker more with ****...just to achieve the same results. I would venture to say most beers benefit 0% from getting racked to another vessel (besides a bottling bucket). When you do rack it... just be a little more careful and mindful of the cake to reduce settled yeast from getting into your serving vessels.

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Old 03-04-2010, 07:14 PM   #7
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Something that bothered me when racking is how air would get pulled in between the hose and the extension/tip of the racking cane. You will see and hear bubbles entering the hose when this happens. So, keep a few twist ties to maintain a tight seal between the hose and cane. I'm not sure it hurt anything, but by maintaining the seal, I haven't seen the minor jump start of the yeast after racking that would occur sometimes.

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Old 03-04-2010, 07:16 PM   #8
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I usually only rack to secondary for clarity or for other "additions".

But,I did just hear an interview with the guy who started Wyeast and he said that when moving to a secondary it can "re-boot" the fermentation activity letting your yeast have one last chance to do all they can to your beer.

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Old 03-04-2010, 07:19 PM   #9
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+1 on the don't worry too much about hurting the beer. I've yet to have any problems when using a secondary. The kit I bought came with a siphon, but not an autosiphon. If you do not have an autosiphon, get one, now. Really. Go now.

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Old 03-04-2010, 07:22 PM   #10
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Have you ever had a problem when you did not rack the beer into a secondary? Then you don't have to worry about a leaky connection pulling in air, etc etc. If you just leave it and rack into your serving vessel, the yeast will have just as much opportunity to "re-boot". Beer ferments just as easily in a bottle/keg as it does a glass carboy or plastic bucket.

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